to do with richard gadd. a ., ' . , anything to do with richard gadd. ' . , ., gadd.dd. as a difference between a criminal record, someone - gadd. as a difference between a criminal record, someone with l criminal record, someone with mental health problems, who may have sent tens of thousands of e—mails, i wonder how much you considered that side of things? we had a long conversation about it but i actually have no... i have no qualms at all about offering her the platform because i certainly got that session did not get the feeling she was vulnerable person. when it comes to the mental health issue, richard gadd has been honest about his own mental health issue and that does not seem to be factored into people's consents. he was allowed to tell his story. he had mental health issues, drug abuse, promiscuous sex life issues which talks about frank leapt to his credit but if he's going to be allowed to do that, i think the person that he has put up there as a convicted stalker, he was gone to prison for harassing him, should be allowed to have her say if as she says t

the series is about its creator, richard gadd, being stalked.e also in the programme he is groomed and raped by a male tv comedy executive. netflix and richard gadd have not named either that person — although names have been doing the rounds online — or the female stalker but a 58—year—old woman, from scotland, fiona harvey, says it is about her, after being identified and named on the internet as the real martha. she gave an interview to piers morgan. it has been watched more than 11 million times. here is a clip of it. first of all, why have you decided to go public? the internet sleuths striked me down and hounded me and gave me death threats so it was not really a choice. i was forced into this situation. the interview was labelled by unherd magazine as the lowest form of television. i have been talking to piers morgan about it all. i thought about it carefully because of course, i was still under the impression from netflix and richard gadd that she was a convicted stalker. i have interviewed a lot of serious criminals in my time for prime

it says at the beginning, "this is a true story" — and it is a story of a man who's played by richard gadd's playing himself. so he's a british actor playing himself, and he is stalked in the programme. and it's a long programme about a terrible campaign of stalking that he underwent and says he underwent in real life. and a lot of the controversy revolves around what happens right at the start of the first episode, where we're told by netflix, by the producer of this programme, "this is a true story." exactly. because it is unusual. you know, we're used to seeing these kind of programmes where it might say, "this is inspired by true events," or, "this is based on a true story." it's very rare to see, "this is a true story." and as a viewer, when you watch this as a true story, i suppose, what do you think? you understand it's a fiction, it's a drama, so you might think they might be taking some liberties, but you do assume it is very mu... .very. .. it's sticking to the truth. and when we were talking about it last week and we were planning that section of the programme, of course we invi

he said it was obviously a true story of the horrific abuse that the writer and protagonist richard gaddat the hands of a convicted stalker, and that is key — convicted stalker. spoiler alert — i'm afraid i am going to spoil the programme for people who haven't watched it, so do stop watching if you're. . . if you're. .. just for the next minute or so. just for the next minute, and then come back. because at the end of the programme, the woman who is the stalker in the programme is convicted and goes to prison. and this netflix executive clearly says richard gadd suffered, you know, abuse at the hands of a convicted stalker. now, one of the mps, the parliamentarians who's on that committee, is a guy called john nicolson. he's an snp, scottish national party, mp. and as the furore...it became more and more difficult because here are these words "convicted stalker", and yet nobody, no journalist, nobody can find any evidence that actually she is a convicted stalker, as in the person who is alleged to be the real martha, if we can put it like that. i should explain that having...this progra

foley has revealed that police have been investigating defamatory abuse, accusing him of being richard gadd'stities of those involved. but it hasn't taken long for people to actually find the real martha. so his stalker and what's happened now of all this, the weeks of this rolling on and kind of the sleuths doing their work is that she's come out and done an anonymous interview with mail online saying, essentially, she's being bullied online for fame and fortune, and that she potentially plans to sue netflix and richard gadd for defamation . and richard gadd for defamation. >> oh, so it could all get very, very messy. >> it could do. >> it could do. >> absolutely. but i've got to say, i don't think that netflix would have gone ahead with something like this without being very sure. we know they have very good lawyers. they'll have very good lawyers. they'll have looked into this and what's come out in kind of terms of the interviews that richard gadd and others have done is that, according to him, the majority of what we see on screen is true . the only bit we don't that isn't true is that s

i think netflix might be liable for like some duty of care, but not richard gadd. he wrote a show.. it's up to the people that were around him, his team, to have changed it. and the show is much more about sort of his own, you know, foibles rather than about that, rather than pointing the finger at anybody else . at anybody else. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> you know, netflix have got themselves in a bit of a pickle because if you claim this is a true story , and at the same time true story, and at the same time you say we have taken every step for the identity of the true people not to be revealed . well, people not to be revealed. well, there are a lot of fans who have a lot of time at their hands and they've they've actually revealed who the person is. and then you claim she was convicted of stalking and she says, no, i wasn't convicted. and the funnier thing is that here now, the bbc, a writer of the of doctor who has said, well, if it was the bbc and its duty of care, you know, because the very famous, rigorously successful standards of the bbc in adopting duty of care towards the con

it says at the beginning, "this is a true story" — and it is a story of a man who's played by richard gaddnd he is stalked in the programme. and it's a long programme about a terrible campaign of stalking that he underwent and says he underwent in real life. and a lot of the controversy revolves around what happens right at the start of the first episode, where we're told by netflix, by the producer of this programme, "this is a true story." exactly. because it is unusual. you know, we're used to seeing these kind of programmes where it might say, "this is inspired by true events," or, "this is based on a true story." it's very rare to see, "this is a true story." and as a viewer, when you watch this as a true story, i suppose, what do you think?

. >> and my point is this either she did all those things that richard gadd says , in which case richardh case she does have some, mental whatever emotional issues. and piers maybe wasn't right to put her on or she didn't do those and gad made them up. >> but roger, it's not like ementary. it's not a documentary. it's a drama. it's a true story. >> it is. it's being depicted as a true story. and whether or not netflix have done. no, but whether or not netflix have done the legal work. >> it's a true story in which everybody says , we took the everybody says, we took the greatest of care to make sure that no one can be identified. >> now, it took 30s to find her and richard osman says everybody in television knows who that boyfriend was. >> okay, well, look, folks , full >> okay, well, look, folks, full disclosure, you were all booked on tonight's show because you're all nutters . all nutters. >> i'm. >> i'm. >> but don't you think that maybe i'm proud? >> mark steyn reem ibrahim unhinged alex dyke, dangerous and totally out of it. >> up a gum tree, doctor. >> up a gum tree, doctor. >> ro

. >> and my point is this either she did all those things that richard gadd says , in which case richardich case she does have some, mental whatever emotional issues. and piers maybe wasn't right to put her on or she didn't do those and gad made them up. >> but roger, it's not like ementary. it's not a documentary. it's a drama. it's a true story. >> it is. it's being depicted as a true story. and whether or not netflix have done. no, but whether or not netflix have done the legal work. >> it's a true story in which everybody says , we took the everybody says, we took the greatest of care to make sure that no one can be identified. >> now, it took 30s to find her and richard osman says everybody in television knows who that boyfriend was. >> okay, well, look, folks , full >> okay, well, look, folks, full disclosure, you were all booked on tonight's show because you're all nutters . all nutters. >> i'm. >> i'm. >> but don't you think that maybe i'm proud? >> mark steyn reem ibrahim unhinged alex dyke, dangerous and totally out of it. >> up a gum tree, doctor. >> up a gum tree, doctor. >>

i think it's a bigi problem for netflix, for richard gadd _ problem for netflix, for richard gadd andentence. when fiona harvey, the real-life _ sentence. when fiona harvey, the real—life martha, came on piers morgan — real—life martha, came on piers morgan uncensored, she was emphatic she's never— morgan uncensored, she was emphatic she's never been to court over this, she's never been to court over this, she hasn't— she's never been to court over this, she hasn't pled guilty or been to prison — she hasn't pled guilty or been to prison no — she hasn't pled guilty or been to prison. no one can produce any evidence — prison. no one can produce any evidence she has. if that is the case _ evidence she has. if that is the case and — evidence she has. if that is the case and it— evidence she has. if that is the case and it turns out she hasn't, the other— case and it turns out she hasn't, the other part of this is the failure _ the other part of this is the failure of— the other part of this is the failure of duty of care by netflix not allow — failure of duty of care by netflix not allow

it tells the story of scottish comedian richard gadd and how he was stalked after serving a woman a drinkemails and left 350 hours of voicemails to his phone. martha also turns up at his home and workplace. baby reindeer is the nickname that his stalker has given him. and at the beginning of the first episode, we are not told this is based on true events — we are told "this is a true story," and that statement has drawn a lot of attention. according to netflix, this has become a huge worldwide hit with 60 million views globally in one month. here is some of the series.

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right now on access hollywood, richard gadd stars in the hit stalker drama based on his true life. but are some fans too obsessed with baby reindeer as they search for his real stalker? plus, we've got zendaya talking all about her on screen challengers love triangle. that's right, and goslings gone swiftae. but it's a korean

it says at the beginning, "this is a true story" — and it is a story of a man who's played by richard gadda long programme about a terrible campaign of stalking that he underwent and says he underwent in real life.

it tells the story of a scottish comedian, richard gadd, and how he was stalked after serving a womanmails to his phone. martha also turns up at his home and workplace. baby reindeer is the nickname that his stalker has given him. and at the beginning of the first episode,

it tells the story of a scottish comedian richard gadd and how he was stalked after serving a woman aeer is the nickname that his stalker has given him. and at the beginning of the first episode we are not told this is based on true events, we are told this is a true story and that statement has drawn a lot of attention.

gave her first ever tv interview where she denied all allegations from writer and actor richard gadd.and , we've had no apologies >> and, we've had no apologies from netflix or him or nothing. i mean, for someone who says he feels sorry for me, i've had no apology, and i have this martha character seems to have smashed up a bar and sexually assaulted him in a canal. been to prison, there are a number of other allegations there. none of that is true. that's not true . is true. that's not true. >> well, that was fiona harvey, who has identified herself as the real life martha from the show. joining me now is broadcaster and psychotherapist lucy beresford. because lucy, a lot of people, millions of people have seen this interview tens of millions of people around the world have seen the series . it's becoming a series. it's becoming a sensational bust up . sensational bust up. >> yes. and the lady who may or may not be martha fiona has pointed out that there has been a huge amount of publicity around this, and it's one of the reasons in which she speaks of potentially suing netflix becau

and then the big richard guzman, richard gadd, this woman, fiona harvey, she was on, she was on piersn that name. louis. >> why can't we mention that name? >> i don't know, we you can mention one of his free speech channel. >> free speech because he's on there and she's saying, that was me. >> i'm going to sue you now for exposing me. but that was me no one knew was her. no one knew who the hell this woman was. but this is that programme on netflix where he very popular. it's very, very popular. it basically says that women are horrible, but an interesting side note, it doesn't say that it's. so does this woman is horrible. but at the exact same time it points out how horrible he is and how horrible men are. >> and he says hurt people , hurt people. >> but, you know, he seemed he didn't seem that hurt. she didn't seem that hurt. she didn't know. >> what are you talking about? >> what are you talking about? >> she's hurt. >> she's hurt. >> i'm saying i haven't gotten her. i said he didn't seem that hurt. >> he's hurt . >> he's hurt. >> he's hurt. >> i think louis watched something else

she's denying that the things that richard gadd has alleged in the story that are her clearly aren't it comes off well, but how do we know it's definitely her, though? >> i mean, she's the actual evidence that says we don't and she's saying she's going to take him to court, which will be a new rematch . new rematch. >> they'll have to make a new series. it'll be great. >> but then the interesting thing is that before this even hit netflix, she was saying, i knew it was about me straight away. so i'm kind of like thinking there were so many gotcha moments, actually , in gotcha moments, actually, in that interview that i thought that interview that i thought that maybe she could have been pressed a bit more, on that, do you think piers morgan was a bit irresponsible interviewing people like this? >> just clearly, in my view, suffering with some sort of perhaps mental illness, if, you know, do you think it's a bit out of order singers? although remember what happened to him when he walked off stage with the whole mental illness thing? but do you think, do you think that he should have p

entertainment programs like this, there is artistic license, but it was written by a man called richard gaddit's about how he was stalked a penod about how he was stalked a period of stalking in his life by a woman who he, he named martha. and internet sleuths went on their journey and they found the real martha. so they outed her online and this week she did an interview with piers morgan on his youtube channel. and i do think that we have a clip of this, which came out this week. i might lie to you, but i do think and, we've had no apologies from netflix or him or nothing. >> i mean, for someone who says he feels sorry for me, i've had no apology and i have this martha character seems to have smashed up a bar and sexually assaulted him in a canal. been to prison, there are a number of other allegations there, and none of that is true. that's not true . true. >> okay, some big breaking news from malmo, where our man charlie peters is. can you believe it? we had that situation with the dutch entrant who was in a bit of trouble for some incident backstage, apparently breaking. now he will not