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i really love the richard gere thing. got to get "pretty women" references in. >> always a win. >> ed, let me start with you. you spent a long time at bain. you are an unapologetic defender of free market capitalism. obviously your book takes aim at that, but can you just answer the fundamental question here. mitt romney is trying to say he created jobs, but let's be clear here, his number one goal had nothing to do with creating jobs, right? >> i think that's a cartoonish portrayal of business. people want to forget. people want to pretend the only thing business is doing is working for investors but what's left out of that, the half truth is businesses are working for customers. customers decide what businesses are going to be successful, whether businesses grow or don't grow. in the end if you satisfy the customer, you will end up satisfying the investor. but you can't jump straight to the investor without first working for the customer. >> okay. all of that is true, but still the way you do that is try to come up with

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it is true when somebody like richard gere takes up tibet or mia farrow takes up there are four issues. these are things that north korea would not normally see. in the case of north korea, we just haven't had that. we haven't had an individual that does that. now, i think one of the things we are seeing more of, and there are stories of this in the book as well, americans are learning more about the stories about some of these defectors that are getting out of north korea. there have been several books written recently about defectives who have managed to escape and they are telling their stories. and i think that certainly helps. but still, compared to other cases of human rights, we just don't see the same sort of residents with regard to the issue. >> and other distinctive feature of north korea that could have an impact on this human rights observations by the international community is, north korea has wanted to start to become a nuclear weapons state. that is particularly interesting when we look at iraq. you are in the bush administration for part of the time that this issue wa

when somebody like richard gere takes up tibet or another takes up chinese policies in darfur, this gaves a residence to the issue you would not normally see, and in the case of north korea, we have not had that. we have not had an individual that does that. now, one of the things we're seeing more of, and there's stories in the book of this as well that americans are learning stories about defectors that are getting out of north korea. there's several books written about defectors who managed to escape from north korea telling their stories, and i think that certainly helps, but still compared to other cases of human rights, we just don't see the same sort of resonance to the issue. >> host: another fact that could have an impact on the human rights, observations by the international community is the fact that north korea has been on the drive to become a newspaper lar weapons state -- nuclear weapons state, and i think that's particularly interesting when we look 59 -- at iraq. you were in the bush administration for part of the time that this issue was playing out, and, you know, it tu