mark: welcome back america, my next guest richard goldberg.y counting under president trump. he is a highly regarded scholar and expert on issues related to the middle east. more directly. iran. this is what i want to discuss with you today, richard, which is, why in the world would we have vladimir putin's government as the point of the sphere, negotiating with iran on behalf of united states on another nuclear missile deal. >> it is unbelievable, great to be with you, the trump administration left that horrible nuclear deal with iran and 2018. imposed maximum pressure campaign it was working. they called it jcp oa for short, that was not working for the united states we remember in 2018, the israeli, found nuclear archive they were hides from the world, which led the a aea it find undeclared nuclear sites and have questions about undeclared nuclear activities in the country today, president trump left that deal, he imposed maximum pressure, sanction on the economy of iran. remember where that was when president biden took office. imf said en

for more on this, i'm joined now by richard goldberg, sanctions expert with the foundation for the defensecracies. richard, thank you forjoining us. goodness me, talk of doing deals with venezuela and iran, you could hardly have imagined that two weeks ago. it is you could hardly have imagined that two weeks ago.— that two weeks ago. it is a bit hoke , that two weeks ago. it is a bit hokey. even _ that two weeks ago. it is a bit hokey, even to _ that two weeks ago. it is a bit hokey, even to an _ that two weeks ago. it is a bit hokey, even to an american l hokey, even to an american audience. we are not that desperate right now in the united states. we understand why we are paying more for higher gas, we don't want to have dish shift from one dictator to funding another brutality in venezuela or iran. from an oil market perspective, it makes a lot of sense. the venezuelan oil industry will take a lot of time to come back online with resin export and production, iranian oil industry is going to have a lot of risk associated with it because the us will say they will reimpose oil sanctions. t