talk about his personal story and journey to becoming a media revolutionary i'm joined now by richard grove corporate whistleblower and producer of the ultimate history lesson thanks so much richard it's an honor to have you on thank you abbey it's a pleasure to be on a big fan of the show so you're working for the software development company in two thousand responsible for the good in them their biggest client you then found out of a company you're working for was stealing money a lot graham and what exactly is it that you uncovered richard with the software. well i mean when you're talking about it's ranging over ten years of experience so there's a specific instance where you mention at the end that kind of came around in two thousand and three the nine eleven whistle blowing came around in two thousand and two thousand want to after the events of nine eleven and i noticed that there was insider trading on not only to the airlines but to the clients that we were specifically providing with a cutting edge brand of software that allowed them in later years to take advantage of many client