. >> he has brought up richard haas. you know him well. he's on the council of foreign relations.yone else. does this concern you he's really not saying who advises him on foreign policy? >> richard haas -- look, of course it's troubling because part of what's going on here is sort of the confine the conventions of politics, having actual policy proposals, having list of advisers, all of this is done to reassure people that there are plans in place. and that's partly to come back to what you were asking at the beginning. a. >> even the plan on muslims, we are going to have a on muslims until we figure out what the hell is going on. what kind of plan is that for a president? >> or people like rich a haas saying they're going o work with him? >> i think you'll have to watch my program on sunday. >> appreciate it. will donald trump be able to do anything of the things he promises? othis highly sought-after device "nafrom progressiveool. can be yours for... twenty grand? -no! we are giving it away for just 3 easy payments of $4.99 plus tax! the lines are blowing up! we've got deborah

to discuss this, richard haas is the founder of relations. just back from a daring reported trip into syria. first i have to ask richard about something that made the news two weeks ago that concerns him personally. when asked who his foreign policy advisers are. richard, you know donald trump has been cage ji and said he consoles himself. one name he mentioned was ewe. it has everyone wondering what the nature of it was. you told npr you offer all the candidates briefings as part of the counsel on foreign relations commission and he took you up on it. >> as you said, we offered briefings to all candidates. quiet a few took us up on it and quiet a few come to speak at the counsel. i don't go into details but as you would expect lots of questions are asked. i tried to explain what you see as the fundamental currents of the world. there was the back and forth and donald trump we spent about an hour together and it was the end of august. >> you know there is a petition that has been signed by a whole bunch of very senior republican foreign polic

richard haas is no right wing person. clearly, it is not sitting well with people. and i think it goes back to the thought that many of us have. for president obama, his role is not so much to be out there projecting american strength but restraining america. america is a problem in the world. whether it is with gitmo or our views on the second amendment or an aggressive foreign policy. we are the problem. the idea that he will come out there and advance american interests in the wake of this, that's not his style. >> and he said that we should not react to these situations with fearful does he get credit to that for trying to keep things calm? >> well, presidents have to keep everyone calm while they're taking it seriously. there are the optics of being on the trip and not canceling and then there's how he responds and what he says. on the substance, he's a bit in denial. he likes to rationalize about getting into a traffic accident more quickly. and that's a separate issue. donald trump or someone will be away and something hike this will happen overseas if not at

.> i respect richard haas i have a few people i really like and respect. kane is a fantastic guy. respect many of the people, not only on your shows, but many people i and dealing with that don't go on television and will do television and that are great thinkers, but ultimately it is my thought more than anybody else's, where i see the policy of some of these people in our be in the, we will middle east for another 15 years if we don't end up losing, because our country is disintegrating. we are spending trillions of dollars in the middle east, and of ourructure ar country is disintegrating. we should never have gotten into iraq. it was a disaster. we have to be isis,, take them out. they are chopping off heads. we can't allow that to happen. i have great people and will let you know at the appropriate time very soon. john: there is donald trump trying to talk about foreign policy. it's not just foreign policy people are attacking him on, there are a lot of people in the donor class. some of the people doing the fundraising that group could write multi million themselves pretty e

richard haas is no right wing person. clearly, it is not sitting well with people. i think it goes back to the thought that many of us have. for president obama, his role is not so much to be out there projecting american strength but restraining america. america is a problem in the world. whether it is with gitmo or our views on the second amendment or an aggressive foreign policy. we are the problem. the idea that he will come out there and advance american interests in the wake of this, that's not his style. >> and he said that we should not react to these situations with fearful does he get credit to that for trying to keep things calm? >> well, presidents have to keep everyone calm while they're taking it seriously. there are the optics of being on the trip and not canceling and then there's how he responds and what he says. on the substance, he's a bit in denial. he likes to rationalize about getting into a traffic accident more quickly. and that's a separate issue. donald trump or someone will be away and something hike this will happen overseas if not at hom

david: it's been reported that he was advising trump and ted cruz said that's awful because richard haasfriend of hillary clinton. n: it's remarkable how this is playing out in european politics. we saw that in germany. there was an anti-immigrant party but you see a fragmented backdrop. i am working up a chart for that,ow which is 30 years real gdp was under 4% just barely. now the regression is under 2%. so much of this links back to economic growth or the lack thereof. going back to the focus on domestic issues, it goes back to peoples disappointment and economic performance. people are still feeling underwater on their houses and stagnant wages and the amount of economic improvement is not really being felt on main street. that has big implications. it strikes me that everyone has a domestic issue in germany and great britain and there are many people who are disenchanted right now with their economic future. typically, you would associate germany with a low unemployment rate. they have a jobless rate of 10.8% and you do not normally associate that with germany. economically is favor

. >> he has brought up richard haas. you know him well. he's on the council of foreign relations.s met with trump. he hasn't really talked about anyone else. does this concern you he's really not saying who advises him on foreign policy? >> richard haass will be on my program this sunday. so stay tuned for that, talking about this. but look, of course it's troubling because part of what's going on here is trump is sort of defying the conventions of politics of having actual policy proposals, having lists of advisers, all of which is done to reassure people that, you know, there are plans in place. that he has an idea of what he is going to do. and that's partly to come back to what you were asking at the beginning. a good part of the reason the world is so freaked out by the prospect of trump is he has reduce nod plans, no proposals. what little he has is nonsense. even the plan to ban muslims, don, he says we are going to have a ban on muslims until our politicians figure out what the hell is going on. what kind of plan is that for a president? how will we determine when we have

the first name out of his mouth was richard haas. most americans have no idea who that is. but the dc establish does. he's the president of the council on foreign relations. he's a lifelong liberal. he is someone who is advised hillary clinton in the state department. what does it say about you that donald trump and hillary clinton both listen to the same advisor? look, on one level it's not surprising. donald trump is someone who supported jimmy carter over ronald reagan. donald trump is someone who supported john kerry over george w. bush. he contributed four times to the hillary clinton presidential campaign in 2008. but for him to admit that the first day he listens to on foreign policy is the president of the council on foreign relations, a liberal person with hillary clinton is an extraordinary admission, and i'll say this. let me speak for a minute to the donald trump supporters. i get the that people are angry. we're so frustrated. we're so furious because we've been lied to. we've been lied to over and over and over again. but donald trump embodies that washington

i'll talk about that and more with the counsel on foreign relations, richard haas.o say about the donald? i'll ask him. >>> and who is to blame or congratulate for the rise of donald trump? >> we're going to win, win, win and we're not stopping.

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>> i think richard haas is excellent. i have a lot of respect for him. i think general kaine is excellent. i like colonel jacobs very much. i see him. i know him. i have many people i think are really excellent but in the end it's going to be my decision. when you just asked the question about snowden, i will tell you right from the beginning, i said he was a spy and we should get him back. and if russia respected our country, they would have sent him back immediately, but he was a spy. it didn't take me a long time to figure that one out. believe me. but i would get the best people, people that i'd be comfortable with and we will do the right thing. >> bret, it's very interesting to note, i think it's for the good of the record here that they took a survey of foreign policy magazines, 700 foreign policy experts, who would be the best person to conduct foreign policy of all the candidates in the race? i received 55% of the vote. jeb bush received 30% of the vote. and everybody else none of them made double digits. and that's because you have to have the

of thed richard haas council of foreign relations. drage worst scenario is to it out longer.will where you an election, the bad scenario here is you have a continuing shrinking economy against the backdrop of a prolonged impeachment process and if there is a change was all of us would like to see, it's not neat and clean and there are still questions of legitimacy and whether the new government can work. it's 2.5 years before the next election. region'srrisome is the most important economy is in a prolonged crisis. vonnie: money has been pouring in, why is that? when this is sorted out, will it be better? >> as soon as things broke against lula, the stock market broke. brazil has a lot of strength but, that, but. it could be a long when. and in yourat this world, you never know what you will see. if you said five-year's ago that the president will visit cuba and argentina and brazil is flat on its back, no one would have predicted that. thatcouple of years ago is the brazilian future had arrived and look where we are now. you have 4% shrinkage last year and estimated the same

>> i think richard haas is excellent. i have a lot of respect for him. kaine is excellent. i like colonel jacobs very much. i see him. i know him. i have many people i think are really excellent but in the end it's going to be my decision. when you just asked the question about snowden, i will tell you right from the beginning, i said he was a spy and we should get him back. and if russia respected our country, they would have sent him back immediately, but he was a spy. it didn't take me a long time to figure that one out. believe me. but i would get the best people, people that i'd be comfortable with and we will do the right thing. >> bret, it's very interesting to note, i think it's for the good of the record here that they took a survey of foreign policy magazines, 700 foreign policy experts, who would be the best person to conduct foreign policy of all the candidates in the race? i received 55% of the vote. jeb bush received 30% of the vote. and everybody else none of them made double digits. and that's because you have to have the experience. you

>> i respect richard haas also on your show a lot and like him a lot. have a few people that i really like and respect. i think kaine is a fantastic guy. i have a lot of respect -- i have respect -- many of the people not only on your shows, but many people that i'm dealing with that don't go on television and won't do television and that are great thinkers. but ultimately it's my thought my than anybody else's. when i see the policy of some of these people in our government, the policy we will be in the middle east for another 15 years and spend -- if we don't end up losing by that time because our country is dis integrating. we are spending trillions of dollars in the middle east and the infrastructure of our country is dissent grating. we should have never got into iraq, that was a disaster, and it just never ends. it's just continuing and continuing. we have to not -- we have to beat isis, we have to take them out, they're chopping off heads, we can't allow it to happen, but i have great people and i will let you know at the appropriate time very so

haas, yelling and debating on foreign policy. we get an update from mr. richard haass. minute, donald trump is talking to the establishment. have you spoken to mr. trump in recent days? richard: i have not. i have offered to brief all the candidates, to have them come to the council. tom: secretary clinton as well? richard: absolutely. half a dozen candidates this time, including mr. trump several months ago. tom: could you serve within a trump administration? richard: that is so far off right now. we have learned that a week is a long time in republican politics. at the moment i am focusing on the council, focusing on finishing the book i am writing about a world in disarray, and trying to be a resource for all the candidates, democrats and republicans alike, as this all plays out. the index -- the inbox that the next president inherits will be extraordinarily complex. my job is to help them navigate their way through. the discourse i would suggest is fractured. how do we get gop or democrat or our national discourse back on track? richard: it is going to be enormously