it is from richard haass. ly is expertise, service to the nation, but his commitment to the council on foreign relations over the many years. and best of haass -- ambassador haass joins us now. how did you get it all into 400 pages? did you have to cut away 300 other pages? richard: there was already one encyclopedia britannica, we did need a second. as a writer it was a challenge to shrink it. i thought, what do you really need to know? the whole idea was to write a primer. essentially give people a foundation so they could understand the world and hopefully be more informed. tom: you see it in the photographs at your council on foreign relations, the photographs on the wall, there is always the theory of the moment. whether it is washington consensus or something westphalian. what is the theory throughout the world? the wholee have got set of international challenges and great power arrived -- great power rivalries. we have a new, set of international challenges. pandemics, climate change, the lack of regulat

the statements can both be true. >> i'm of two minds on this, richard haass. is true, should we be shouting it from the rooftops, go to the united states, present the evidence and go from there, or is this something we're going to regret because it creates basically a cold war over this virus for the globe to deal with? >> chuck, chinese performance has been bad, whether this came out of a lab or not. they have covered up, they allowed people to leave wuhan, and we're all paying a price for it. what started in wuhan didn't stay there. so that's a fact, again, whether they're covering up the fact it came out of a lab, we don't have information supporting that. the secretary of state got forward on his skis, and that's always a mistake. people say in war, truth is the first casualty. we ought to husband the truth carefully. the larger issue, though the two most powerful countries of this era, the two most inflew ngs ue our relationship will go a long way in defineing the character of this era in history, the challenge is to push back against china where we can,

richard haass the world, a brief introduction and the new class war by michael lindh.eady heard plenty about them both in the show. they're well worth your time. the answer to my question this week is "c." the french dairy industry is facing a glut of spoiled product as consumption of the nation's formidable catalog of fromage declined 60% in three weeks after paris enacted a nationwide lockdown on march 17th. the guardian reports french consumers have stocked up on essential foods instead and since most varieties of french cheese go bad in eight weeks or less, pallets of product are put t r ish rifying as i speak. the there's a new variety that requires months to age. they can pay up front now for guaranteed delivery when the cheese matures. but the french industry is taking a different tact. with michelle lacoste saying he expects consumers to feast on fromage to maintain the french culture, the french tradition, the french heritage that we all share. we at "gps" are always happy to help out our friends in french, so feel pree free to send us an extra brie. thank you

we're happy to have with us tonight richard haass, a veteran diplomat under multiple presidents. he's the longtime president of the council on foreign relations and importantly, the author of his latest work "the world: a brief introduction." richard, thank you for coming on. good evening. why is our friend eugene wrong, or is he dead right? >> well, look, the reaction around the rest of the world when they look at the united states is a lot of head-shaking. this is not the united states they thought they knew or in fact they did know. we're not setting an example that anyone in the world wants to emulate given the periodic, if you will, ineptness of our response, the tardiness, the inconsistency in messaging. we still don't have enough testing. the statistics about deaths are obviously overwhelming. so in that sense, people look at us. it's not what they want to see. and also, brian, as you know, this isn't unique. they look at the dysfunctionality of american politics. they fly into the country, and they see the age and the tearing down of our infrastructure and on and on. and

the statements can both be true. >> i'm of two minds on this, richard haass.f this is true, should we be shouting it from the rooftops, go to the u.n., present the evidence, and go from there? or is this something we're going to regret because it creates basically a cold war over this virus for the globe to deal with? >> chuck, chinese performance has been bad, whether this came out of a lab or not. they have covered up, they allowed people to leave wuhan, and we're all paying a price for it. what started in wuhan didn't stay there. so that's a fact, again, whether they're covering up the fact it came out of a lab. we don't have information supporting that. the secretary of state got forward on his skis, and that's always a mistake. people say in war, truth is the first casualty. we ought to husband the truth carefully. the larger issue, though, the united states and china are the two most powerful countries of this era, the two most influential, our relationship will go a long way in defining the character of this era in history. the challenge is to push back

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joining us is the president of the council on foreign relations, richard haass. he is the author of the new book entitled "the world: a brief introduction." also with us for this, nbc news correspondent carol lee, live for us at the white house. >> richard, the "financial times" this morning called this the latest in a long series of setbacks for the rule of law and democratic development in the city. it's already dismal governments can only deteriorate further. hong kong's constitutional framework has collapsed. what do you say? >> when the british returned hong kong, joe, in 1997, the idea was for half a century, 50 years, hong kong was to enjoy a special status. the whole theme was one country, two systems. what's happened dprgradually an with increasing acceleration the last few years s the special status of hong kong has been eroded and, effectively, has disappeared. the interesting question is why and why now? here, my own sense is a couple things are driving this. one is the economy in china has slowed down dramatically. for decades, the economy has been th

ambassador richard haass, good to have you on. >> thank you. >>> well, listen, if you like the questiontrump's foreign policy, is it working, where is it working, where is it not working? another book coming out in august, the mad man theory, trump takes on the world. and this looks at whether trump's intentional unpredictability is working against adversaries, but also with u.s. allies, "the madman theory" comes from president nixen who deliberately tried to let folks like vietnam think he was mad in some ways and therefore unpredictable. got a couple of months. coming out in august, hope you'll give it a chance. >> let's throw the picture -- first time i've seen the cover. congratulations. >> thank you. it is new. i think it gets at trump's taking on the world, right? listen, we're going to do this differently, we're going to be tough, whether you are long time adversary or long time friend. >> congrats. i'm so happy for you. this is why we let you lock yourself in your office after the show and write furiously. can't wait to read it. congrats. >>> a developing story out of russia, th

alex, i'm sorry, who did you want me to go -- richard haass. richard haass is here. chard, why don't we end up where we began, with you talking about "the world." what hot spots do we have? you talked about north korea still moving forward with their missile testing program and their nuclear program as quickly as possible. hasn't been stopped. donald trump, of course, wrong there, too, saying we didn't have to worry about north korea's program anymore. we do. what other hot spots across the globe are we taking our eyes off of right now because of the coronavirus? >> let me just suggest a few things that people are missing that are really interesting. one is afghanistan. any pretense of a peace process there has been stripped away. we're still talking about getting out, but essentially, the government there has given up on the taliban. they've resumed offensive operations in the wake of horrendous terrorist attacks. that's one thing that is interesting. secondly, in europe, the most senior port in germany issued a ruling that raised fundamental questions about the priv

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richard haass has out a wonderful book called "usurer of -- future of the world," and it reminded me what is the bremmer theory of international relations? ian: trends we were seeing speed up, so we don't come out of the coronavirus into a new world order. the inequality that was driving antiestablishment sentiment across democracies all over the world expands dramatically. the level of confrontation between the u.s. and china that made some of us worry, expands som -- somewhat sharply. the sustainability of the e.u. as theyyou -- have no capacity to see their debt mutual lysed, we will see sustainable growth and the germans are not prepared to provide it. what happens is this idea that , isave more unilateralism very obviously something like global leadership or coordinated response with the most sharp, most significant global crisis of our lifetime, that gives you a sense of what we are in for coming out of it. tom: what do you see president trump doing here? we are going day today with whatever the moment is and the great cultural divide of the united states of america. china off

we are listening to richard haass the author and academic who has just come out with yet another book "the world" a brief history. he calls it a little bit of a departure. i want to start richard because it was only after you turned in the manuscript that the world was confronted by the covid-19 pandemic and in the roughly two months since that happened they had highlighted so many of the teams in concepts. what does the pandemic tell us what is the pandemic tell us about the world right now. thanks also to everyone on this call. needless to say i hope everybody is well. as we all get through this one day at a time when groundhog day at a time. what i think the pandemic tells us first and foremost is that the world matters and that is an obvious thing for member of the council on foreign relations. the world matters what happens around the world doesn't stay there. a virus broke out. it got worse. ultimately spread through china and the united states and elsewhere around the world. it was terrorists trained in afghanistan other various times it was what we've seen with climate change

it's resilience. >> richard haass, thank you so much. we'll see you all week as we dig into the important themes of your new book, "the world, a brief introduction." thank you very much. >>> coming up, is florida undercounting its covid cases? we're going to talk about the spread of coronavirus across that state and how the governor is dealing with it. that is straight ahead on "morning joe." we live in uncertain times. however, there is one thing you can be certain of. the men and women of the united states postal service. we're here to deliver cards and packages from loved ones and also deliver the peace of mind of knowing that essentials like prescriptions are on their way. every day, all across america, we deliver for you. and we always will. here's the thing about managing for your business.s when you've got public clouds, and private clouds, and hybrid clouds- things can get a bit cloudy for you. but now, there's the dell technologies cloud, powered by vmware. a single hub for a consistent operating experience across all your cloud

we want to turn to the president of the council of foreign relations, richard haass, whose book "thea brief introduction," is a best-seller. you've been trying to figure out what the trump doctrine is, in terms of his foreign policy. what is it? >> i think it is increasingly clear, mika. i call it the withdraw document. if you look at the pattern, the united states has pulled out of more international agreements than we have fingers on our hands. this has just been a pattern. ment in most cases, it is to make a point, but i can't find one instance where, at the end of the day, we're better off for having done it. >> richard haass, let me ask you specifically about what we've seen this week in china, where secretary of state mike pompeo had to declare publicly that it appears hong kong is no longer autonomous in its own way from china. it is under the thumb now, by law, of china. what are we seeing there, and what would you recommend the united states do about it? >> look, willie, i'm actually, as you know, a critic of this administration. in this case, i think we're doing the right t

. >> ambassador richard haass. the world is the -- i feel smarter talking to you this morning. with us. >> thank you. >>> cdc guidelines are finally out how to deal with coronavirus but something important is missing. "new day" continues right now. >>> the cdc releasing detailed guidelines on how to safely reopen the country. >> los angeles county. the county supervisor set july 4th as a goal. they want to have most businesses reopen. >> anybody who thinks we're out of the woods, we are not. this remains as dangerous today as day one. >> dams in midland county breached. residents in the area have been instructed to evacuate immediately. >> i knew it would be bad, but not this bad. >> we have to deal with river floods at times. this, however, is something that would be unprecedented. >> this is "new day" with alisyn camerota and john berman. >>> welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. this is "new day." as of this morning, all 50 states have at least partially reopened. easing some of the stay-at-home restrictio restrictions. wh

. —— xijinping. as we speak to richard haass — formerly an advisor to the—then secretary of state colinemy hunt was pointing out that the uk has especially ring in your —— special and unique role as at the former colonial past. need to take the role and value this international i do not know if they need to, but as they need to, but has you say, they have special standing here. and i would hope all the democratic countries in the world would come together, and central china for doing this and the united states should end hong kong special economic status. the whole idea was it was predicated on one country, two systems and if the chinese are now going to make it one country, one system, then it makes fio country, one system, then it makes no sense to treat hong kong as a special case. richard, has china kind of misplayed this in the sense that the us was a little bit isolated from the rest of the international community around the pandemic in its comments about china and trying to pin the pandemic on a lab in wuhan and now you have an international community coming together with the us

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congratulations on book publication day this is richard haass week on "morning joe." york yankees new proposed schedule comes out. do we go all the day and win the title, richard? >> i'm sitting here digesting your news, willie, and whether an 82-game season is good for the yankees or not. and, i'm kind of stuck. but let me put it this way, if they win, no asterisk. if they lose, big asterisk. >> spoken like a true yankee fan. i love it, richard. let's talk about your book as i said out today. this morning we want to focus appropriately on china, the president yesterday telling reporter ask china when talking about testing rates across the world and who is doing better where. what have we learned, richard, or what was, i guess, affirmed and what were we reminded of about china since this outbreak began on new year's eve in wuhan and the way it has handled this crisis. how has it affected our relationship with china going forward? >> what we have learned about china is what we should have known all along. this is a closed authoritarian system where the phrase shoot the