in the next hour, richard haass, author of the world richard haass on the foreign policy of trump this is bloomberg. this is bloomberg. . good morning. ♪ tom: "bloomberg surveillance." if you are just joining us in the u.s. or slipping through the morning on -- in london, it is merger monday. real mergers, fake mergers, the whole thing. the market reset as well. it is really on this first monday back from summer, full week ahead with the fed meeting on -- on wednesday for that kit juckes with us from societe generale route. -- completely foreign to our electoral process, move forward from abe to suga. a lot of the pacific rim we don't speak of. how do you -- how does foreign-exchange see the new pacific rim playing out? kit: well, in the sense that they are coming out of the pandemic strongly. this is the source of a lot of the world's excess savings. in japan's case, huge long-term net positive investment positions, so they have lots of foreign assets. the rest of us need to persuade these people to invest their money over here, and the less they do it, the more they are doomed to hav

and as part of our national book festival i have the pleasure to think of interviewing richard a haasspresident of the council and foreign relations and has written a new excellent book the world a brief introduction by richard haass. thank you for coming today. >> host: great to be with you. for those who may not know your background why don't we go through that and then talk a little bit about the book. so, you are a native of new york and went to college in ohio and then became a rhodes scholar. what did you do to become a rhodes scholar and for those who are not aware there are only 32 people picked every year in the united states and theoretically you are one of the top 32 so what did you do plaques disconnect my children would claim that was something administrative. i could also answer i was one of 32 people to simply peak young and at the right time. i had a rather unconventional background. i'd spent a year in the middle east traveling around doing archaeology, studying languages in history. i wrote a column for the campus newspaper, i took my courses credit no entry, religion

[applause] >> during a virtual event council on foreign relations present richard haass talked aboutthe state of the world and the foreign policy challenges facing the united states. here's a portion of that discussion. >> the pandemic tells us first and foremost of the world matters, and that's perhaps an obvious thing for a member of the council on foreign relations but it's not obvious for everybody. what happens around the world doesn't state of in this case there was a small city in china in wuhan were a virus broke down. at worst altima spread through china and spread to the united states and elsewhere around the world. on 9/11 it was tariffs trained in afghanistan. other various times it was what we've seen with climate change coming from everywhere, financial condition from this or that other country. what this should tell us is these oceans come the atlantic and the pacific are not modes. there's no drawbridge to pull up their sovereignty, whatever else it is is not the same thing as security. we are affected by what happens in the world. foreign policy is what we do in turn

richard haass, are you surprised? by anything that vladimir putin does when he knows that he's going to get very little pushback, or not at all, from the president of the united states. are you surprised how open vladimir putin has been in offering his support to crushing these democratic protests? >> no, i'm not surprised, joe. he's got geography on his side. but again, putin does not want to do what he did in ukraine. you don't have a russian ethnic demographic in belarus like you had in ukraine. it would not be nearly as politically popular at home. he wants to do it more subtly. the words you're seeing in the conversational phrases like soft annexation, integration -- he wants to draw the 10 million or so people of belarus back into the russian orbit. and you know, we obviously don't have military options. the options we have are things like mark talked about, supporting the opposition, also financially. we can sanction the russians. we can sanction belarus people around lukashenko. but let's be honest, our option

. ♪ of thewaco call joins me book of the summer, richard haass of the world.is a book that should be thrown at .veryundergraduate i want you to start with thomas hobbes, you stagger through hayek and the shift of the university of chicago, and then you melt william -- you melt william gladstone with the 19th century. where is william lincoln out there? where is gladstone and lincoln out there now? all, thank you, tom. tom: continue. >> thomas hobbes is important because when he sat down to write leviathan, about the structure of government, it changed in number of things. was the most powerful place in the world. more --e economy, far it had everything. but the west came back because it adopted -- when you talk about how to change government, we thought about what you could do if you used an imaginary figure. at one time we thought maybe we would take angela merkel in the white house and see what happens. that was more instructive to go back to the 19th century, and the reason why is that the 19th century is the last period when there was massive reform of gov

president of the council of foreign relations and the author of the world, a brief introduction richard haass day at the united nations with all the virtual speeches we saw there, leaders of the united states bashing china, another very powerful country before the united nations in some sharp language there from the president and all of this is happening amid a global pandemic, is this rhetoric helpful at this point from your perspective, richard? >> short answer is no. this wasn't a foreign policy speech. not an exercise in diplomacy, this was essentially a campaign stop, it wasn't much of a speech, each leader was given 15 minutes, i don't think the president went over five, six minutes. he began calling at this time chinese flu, essentially aimed at china, aimed at iran a little bit, embraced america first and it was over. it was really -- it was that brief. >> no mention of russia and china. a bit ironic, we have covered or at least discussed speeches in the past, sometimes those speeches go on for almost an hour. on saturday, though the trump administration you brought up the subject of

joining me is richard haasse. he's the author of the world, a brief introduction. so, as warm words go and money goes from putin, is it enough to save lukashenko here from being ousted? >> in combination with other things it might well be. you still have the loyalty of the security services as best we can see. you have a decapitation of the belarus opposition, people selectively being in prison, you now have some financial help, and others there helping the regime maintain order. to me, ayman, what's interesting, what will be the price tag? mr. putin is not a generous man by nature. there's a lot of people out there who think the price of saving lukashenko is that going lukashenko is going to cede some putin. >> the president's affinity for strongman. president trump praising turkish president erdogan. watch this. >> i get along very well with erdogan, even though you're not supposed to because everyone -- it's funny the friendships i have, the tougher and meaner they are, the better i get along with them. but maybe it's not a bad thing. the easy ones are the ones

joining us now is richard haass, he's the former state department director of policy planning.e author of "the world:a brief introduction." lot of reaction from overseas. you tweeted this out, that was the most discouraging, most depressing, most troubling 90 minutes i can recall. if you're not worried about the future of this country, you're not watching. do you think other countries were surprised last night by what played out? >> short answer is yes. this was a deterioration of the image of american politics that we've been transmitting to the world. what's so interesting is beyond surprise, you have two very distinct reactions, ayman, democratic countries in europe truly dismayed. for them the idea that their place and their security in these hands leaves the europeans wildly uncomfortable. then you had the reaction in china which basically said look at the american debate, this is chaos and disorder. that's why we here in china don't trust democracy, that's what we have a repressive authoritarian system is ultimately better, and that's what so interesting. we undermine bot

. >> richard haass was the director of policy planning under president george w. bush. on foreign relations. >> but in many areas where we've been missing in action and we've sent inconsistent and weak signals. more significantly, we didn't join the trans-pacific partnership. if we wanted to put pressure on china, what better way than to join with our pacific trading partners? that would have been serious. the president wouldn't do it e >> reporter: trump supporters say the president's foreign policies with china are working. >> there is a widespread belief that many, many reforms need to be made in china in terms of technology transfer, in terms of theft of intellectual property, that this president concessions were able to get with president xi and the chinese by imposing tariffs. the long-term legacy of this president, similar to nixon, will be china. >> reporter: that's a harder case to make during a global health crisis. >> we're already in a recession. in fact, we're already in a depression technically. the numbers are that bad. when you layer the problems of the

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of the council on foreign relations and author of the book "the world: a brief introduction," richard haassi guess, richard, first your take on what we just heard from the president. >> well, look, mika, the president is right in the sense that china did not meet its international obligations in the opening weeks of this, what became a pandemic. the world health organization clearly failed to hold china to account. but that said, what we saw yesterday in that part of the five or six-minute speech, strikingly short, was -- that china is not responsible for the fact that the president holds a large rally where people don't wear masks. china's not responsible for our failure to come up with adequate, on-the-scene, quick-result testing. go on and on and on. that's on us. and so, what you basically saw yesterday was a campaign speech, not a foreign policy speech. >> mike barnicle. >> richard, the constant chatter from donald trump about china would pose the thought in china's mind, i would think, that you know, oh, he wants to make us a real enemy. so, what is the future with regard to united st

let's bring in council on foreign relations head and ask you richard haass to give us more of a globaliew. we hear italy the cases may be going down, same with spain, the uk continues to skyrocket. china, it's opaque, we don't know what's going on in china because they haven't been transparent from the very beginning. and then, of course, japan may be facing a few rough months ahead. what can you tell us looking at the global stage how this pandemic is playing out and what lessons you've learned from it so far? >> joe, what you've just described is the mixed bag but in general okay or moving in the right direction what you call the developed world, places like south korea, taiwan, singapore, china impossible to get information out of. spain, italy have been through hell but hopefully the worst is behind them. what's missing is the rest of the world, latin america, southeast, asia, middle east and pakistan. what worries me, i think that's where the next catastrophe is going to come from. you begin with terrible public health systems, crowding so social distancing isn't an issue, it's li

to put through some sort of bill and package >> you know, and steve ratner, unfortunately, as richard haasspandemic hasn't changed history, it's actually expedited the changes. it's not reshaped it, it's just accelerated all of these forces. you and i and others are this table have been talking for a decade about the rich getting richer and poor getting poorer, income disparities, trying to figure out a way to bring the numbers closer together. here we have a pandemic showing ceos they don't need as many workers, full-time workers, they don't need the buildings, they can hire contract workers. a lot of those jobs aren't going to come back again, everybody is so obsessed on november the 3rd. i think that's the election day. whether it's the vaccine or jobs, this seems again, steve, not to be a downer but this seems to be a massive challenge for next year and over the next decade >> i completely agree with that, joe. we are going to be looking at high unemployment by any historic measure as we get into the next administration. a lot of that is going to be structur structural people who lost j

about a relationship with china, and your conclusion seems to be -- seems to lineup with what richard haass had said on this show months ago that covid doesn't bend history, it's not going to change history, it's going to accelerate history. and you suggested that one of the effects of covid is that china will -- they seek parity or perhaps even dominance over the united states and this is actually just expedited that process. explain. >> so i think covid has created a sense that china's window of opportunity has opened more quickly than the chinese might have expected. it's been clear for a number of years that at a minimum the chinese aspire to become the dominant power in the asia pacific and perhaps the leading power globally. i think covid had an effect similar to the 2008, 2009 financial crisis where it created the impression in beijing that the united states was unable to cope with a significant international crisis. and so there was a possibility of pushing harder to expand chinese influence. so one of the really remarkable patterns we've seen over the past six to seven months is th