i'll talk to richard haass, zanny minton-beddoes and admiral james stavridis. also, at the start of the pandemic, everyone predicted the greatest strategy would occur in the developing world. but, in fact, the poorest countries have suffered relatively few covid deaths compared to the rich ones. what explains this mystery? ""th ""the new yorker's" sid muk gee will tell us what in the world is going on. but first, here is my take. during his visit to asia this week, secretary of defense lloyd austin outlined his key concern. >> and while we were focused on issues in the middle east, china has modernized its military, and so our goal is to make sure that we maintain a competitive edge over china or anyone else. >> welcome to the new age of bloated pentagon budgets, all to be justified by the great chinese threat. what austin calls america's edge over china is more like a chasm. the united states has nearly 20 times the number of nuclear warheads as china. it has twice the tonnage of warships at sea, including 11 nuclear-powered aircraft carriers, compared with ch

i do want to bring in richard haass, president of the council on foreign relations and author of "the video of the pope and the grand ayatollah, i'm not quite sure i saw any words exchanged there so hopefully they were able to speak off camera a bit. nonetheless, talk about the significance here, the importance of their meeting. >> well, it is significant. less for local reasons than really for regional and global reasons. islam is the fastest-growing religion throughout the world. christians in the middle east are few in number compared to what was the case just decades ago. many have emigrated. many have been persecuted. so, to have the pope go there in and of itself was a statement and obviously if one can have greater christian-muslim understanding as a backdrop to the politics in the middle east, it won't be transformative, but obviously, it would help, again, both there and around the world. politics are affected by religion. we all know that. >> yeah, we certainly do. especially overseas. let's talk about kind of the proxy war that is continuing to play out on iraqi soil. as of

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meeting was very well timed and after that we have an optical in the foreign policy authored by richard haass and charles compton 2 for importance you beat me so i'm going to the states i'm going to give you their titles on pay serious people that i didn't know is prevalent and you also follow us and what do they suggest they suggest that basically you know we return to more ideological you know more confrontational rule of the old with 6 policy you know that that's a good point demon but you know you're almost arguing against yourself in a way if you don't mark is here isn't it people are so ideological that they they're so ideological that they came even concert in a debate that's why they know they there's always this need jerk response from militant military reaction because they're not interested in conversation or not interested in debate they're not interested in having someone point out their gross rank hypocrisy ok not that i'm going to agree with everything that the chinese delegation had to say but you know if you know what if you if you live in a glass house he shouldn't throw sto

coming up, council president richard haass on "balance of power" at noon in new york.omberg. guy: welcome back. roadblocks indicated to open at 67 to 72. that is the rates we are working with. a direct listing. we will bring you that number. my question is as we see rising yields starting to impact the ipo's before it, are we going to see fewer companies deciding they want to step up to the plate and ipo? let's talk about some of the numbers. what we have here is the ipo spac index. as you can see, huge surge in the ipo index and the spac index which is fading. why has it faded? yields are going higher yield start to rise, start to affect the multiples fairly quickly. this will put companies off coming to the market. today is a day to celebrate with stacey cunningham, the nyse president. looking for another direct listing. another good day. are there going to be more? welcome to the program. thank you for sharing your time you think the world is going to be changing? we are owing to see higher yield -- we are going to see higher yields coming through. you think that en

>> let's go to our naval correspondent, captain richard haass, hey, captain.956 and the suez crisis of 2021. >> very different. >> i think we may be able to resolve this one a bit easier than the brits were able to resolve the one in '56. >> i doubt this one will bring down the british government. if it goes on long enough, it may bring down the egyptian government, because they're so dependent on revenues. they'll probably make gasoline prices higher at the pump. probably 10% of the world's oil goes through there. >> wow. hey, richard, i had somebody yesterday tweet during the show that they would love for me to ask guests and friends what they're reading right now, or if there's a great book they've read over the past year during covid. what about you? other than, of course, all the great writing you reading right now? what should our viewers read right now? is there a great book you've read over the past couple of months? >> for fun, total diversion, i read carl hiacin's most recent book, called "squeeze me" for escapism, and then margaret mcmillen's most r

when you talk to some of the foreign policies veterans who are not right wing or left wing, richard haass, for example for foreign relations looked at what the biden administration did and said that was a reasonable outcome, that mbs is somebody who we're likely to be dealing with for 50 years, a significant country. how exactly do we have relations and get things that you want if you have vented by acting in ways that you suggested you would in the campaign? so i think that's one where the biden foreign policy team swallowed hard and said, yeah, maybe we were more aggressive than we could follow through on in the campaign, but we're going to do what makes sense to us now and we'll absorb a little bit of heat from that and they have, but i would say that it's not been a massive amount of heat. >> so a couple of good questions here that are more about reporting on this white house that i want to get to that i think are interesting because i know we have a lot of foreign journalists on here and i'll ask both of them and you all can weigh in as you see fit. one is, access issues for conserva

richard haass who is the president of the council formulations. doctor haas comes to us with a widely respected record of innovative thinking on many of our biggest strategic challenges. we are grateful for your presence today. we're also joined by ms. chinese communist party. she's a fellow for political and security affairs for the national bureau of beijing resource. she's one of the foremost expert on chinese government strategy and on some of china's most consequential initiatives like the belt and road initiative. ms. rolland, thank you for joining us today as well. and last and certainly not least is mr. randy schriver, the chairman of the project 2049 institute and former assistant secretary of defense for indo-pacific security affairs. mr. schriver brings a long record of service incumbent, a national security challenges in the region including civilian and military. mr. schriver, we thank you for your service and for being with us today. i will never recognize with this for five minutes. without objection or prepared a written statement

of the council on foreign relations and author of the book "the world: a brief introduction," richard haassador to sweden under president obama, mark brzezinski. he served on the national security council staff under president clinton as director of russia and eurasian affairs. good morning to you both. >> richard, what should the u.s. expect to come out of this meeting? what should we expect to get out of this meeting? >> not a lot. on the one hand, this is the most important relationship of this era, but it's deteriorating at a fairly significant base. and each side seems prepared to stake out a fairly maximal positions. indeed, they can't even agree that this is a strategic dialogue. the two sides can't even agree whether this is a one-off or there's going to be follow-up meetings. it takes place in the context of profound differences. the u.s. is obviously unhappy with what's going on in hong kong. with what we call a genocide against the uighurs. unhappy with the continued expanding role of the government and the chinese economy. unhappy with muscular chinese foreign policy against tai