richard haass, can we start first with who viktor orban is? why it's so important he would travel from beijing to moscow and directly to mar-a-lago? >> he's significant, willie, for two reasons. one is domestically. if you look at what he's done inside of hungary, he has dismantled some of the fabric of hungarian democracy and civil society. so he represents what's called illiberal democracy, and a lot of people see it a model of what donald trump would do if given the chance here in terms of weaponizing or politicizing the organs of government for his own political purposes, for changing the balance between government and society and all that, and then secondly, orban is a model and in a second way in his foreign policy. he also does the authoritarian romance, whether it's china or russia, and he's been remarkably through all the members of nato, he's been by far the moat sympathetic to putin, almost a neutral between the west and putin or even slightly leaning towards it, which again, who does that sound like? it sounds like donald trump, an

and richard haass, author of "home and away," available on substack. gene, we'll start with you and your new piece entitled "biden's 2024 survival requires a lot more than hope." what does he need to do, and do you think he knows that? >> well, look, i think he needs to do everything he can to reverse the impression, the clear impression that was left by that debate five days ago, that debate on thursday. because, you know, i have been coming on this show for a long time. i am a long-time critic of democratic bedwetting. i don't -- you know, i think it's crazy a lot of the time. i think this is different. >> yeah. >> i think a lot of democrats were shocked by what they saw thursday night. i think the sort of hunkering down and saying, you know, nothing to see here, you know, the polling is unchanged -- they sent the memo out over the weekend, saying polling is not changing so it didn't hurt us. that is internal polling in the swing states which shows him trailing donald trump by a slight margin. you know, within the margin of error. nonetheless, it sho

but, richard haass, i'm glad you're on that side of the screen. i will throw it to you and have you comment. do you feel any different than the last time you were on, or do you agree with "the new york times" that, for the good of the country, joe biden needs to step down? >> yeah, it is actually one of those rare moments where i do agree with "the new york times" editorial page. i think there is a difference between asking whether the president will be the candidate. i think he probably will, joe and mika, if he decides to hang tough. should he be the candidate is obviously a different question. i think a couple of reasons not. one is the structural moment. this is a bad, bad time for incumbents. look what happened in south africa, india, france, and britain. four big elections. in each case, there is an anti-incumbent mood. if you see donald trump as the threat you do, there is a strike against him. look this morning. if the whole idea is to make trump the issue, his past record as president, his congenital lying, his own physical and mental fit

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thank you so much, richard haass. what's that? >> if things go badly this weekend, i look forward to not seeing you monday. >> all right. i look forward to seeing you, as well, richard haass. thank you so much. >>> during a meeting with democratic governors on wednesday, president biden suggested he might start limiting events after 8:00 p.m. so he can get more sleep. one source tells nbc news the president was asked about his health, and he said he was doing fine. adding, quote, it's just my brain. the governors took that as a joke, as did biden campaign chair, saying, "biden was clearly making a joke." he also said, "all kidding aside." in a wisconsin interview that aired yesterday, president biden acknowledged that he had a poor debate performance but defended his candidacy. >> i had a bad night. i had a bad night. and the fact of the matter is that, you know -- i screwed up, i made a mistake. but i learned from my father, when you get knocked down, you just get back up. get back up. and, you know, we're going to win this elect

go to care.com now. >>> joining us is richard haass.heard for some time that a peace deal may be near, a ceasefire, a peace deal may be near. what was interesting yesterday was the prime minister spoke very little of hostages. hostage families were very upset that he seems to be ignoring their pleas to bring the hostages home. talk about the speech. talk about what you expect today when benjamin netanyahu meets with president biden and if we may be close to a ceasefire or a peace deal that will bring those hostages home. >> lots of things to say, joe. good morning. look. there were some good lines in the speech. the onebeginning. it's not a clash between civilization, but between barbarism and civilization, i thought was a powerful line. you also had several israeli soldiers stand up. one was a muslim. it showed the diversity of israeli society. i thought that was almost reagan reagan-esque. some of it was, shall we say, a bit cynical with all the emphasis on the hostages even though bibi netanyahu has not made the return of hostages a

. >> richard haass. >> richard haass, nick kristof, thoughtful people have said the same thing you have said, which is that he should step down. here we are, about ten days later. it seems the base is rallying around him. what do you think -- i'm going to ask you, what do you think ought to happen, and then what do you think will happen? >> well, joe, i'm very mindful of this talk of the base versus the elites. you know, i hate to identify myself with the elites, particularly since, you know, i've been -- as you can see from the driving english rain behind me, i'm sitting across the atlantic. i'm not going to repeat, in my view, that biden ought to step down. i think it's worth looking at the immovable object and the unstoppable force here. i think the immovable object is president joe biden. it became clear in the stephanopoulos interview he's not going to step down. the unstoppable force is, you know, people like, as we saw yesterday on the morning shows, senator chris murphy, soon to be senator adam schiff, and more and more democratic voices, i guess from the elites, but the elected

now let's discuss this with richard haass center counselor at centerview partners. kailey gave us the rundown on what was accomplished at nato so far. the alliance said ukraine's future is in the alliance and we will continue to support it on its irreversible path to membership. can you translate that into plain english for us? what does that mean? what is the actual support entail? richard: the support is modest. $40 billion, $50 billion in aid, some useful weapons, particularly in the area of air defense. putting ukraine on an " irreversible path" to membership does not mean a lot. not only is there no timetable, it's not clear what the conditions would be. you and kailey were discussing cease fire. what would be the territorial reach of the ukraine that would enjoy nato protections? how would that work? what limits my to be acceptable in terms of nato weaponry or forces on ukrainian territory? i think the conversation about whether, when, and how ukraine might one day be a member of nato has barely begun. scarlet: who would have that conversation? president biden

mike barnicle -- >> i'd take the hair. >> spectacular. >> okay. >> uncanny. >> richard haass, thank youchard, very much. >>> still ahead on "morning joe," one of our next guests says one generation of americans has had a stranglehold on the white house and won't let go. we'll talk about the impact of baby boomers on u.s. politics. that's next on "morning joe." we will be right back. with the freestyle libre 3 system know your glucose levels. no fingersticks needed. all with the world's smallest and thinnest sensor. manage your diabetes with more confidence and lower your a1c. try it for free at freestylelibre.us hey, everybody. w. kamau bell here. they say that america is the land of the free. but right now, people in the u.s. are seeing their freedoms taken away at an alarming rate. freedoms some of us take for granted. the right to vote. equal access to health care. book banning and other forms of censorship that threaten our right to learn. and here's something truly shocking, right now in our country hundreds of thousands of people are incarcerated simply because they couldn't affor

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in the challenge, as richard haass last evening at the state department of tucked it in at the end it was mentioned climate corps of young people. i think the big challenge is how do we get young people that? i mean, these are 18, 19 year olds going to college. how do we get them to believe that serving our country in some capacity is something to really be of and strive for because most now want to for how do i make money? how do i make. understandably, people do that, etc. but we need to reengage the youth of america into, our country, and at only comes through studying the history civics. and if we don't do young and get them engaged and offer them ways, i'm i really think john f kennedy nailed it when he came and asked, you know, in his famous inaugural, not what, you know, your country can do for you, but what can you do for your country. and it goes back to bill and joanne so, you know, thinking about getting, you know, young people to vote, young people in those poll questions about our country and all, some of are things the young people are angry climate change a lot and that