a guy named richard hardorf has done a careful study, and the true number represents more accurately the kind of unfolding that the battle went through. ant 30-40 -- about 30-40 indians were killed. i mean, that's a big deal for those people, of course, and can their families, but they killed 260. so it is a remarkably one-sided military encounter. but for some reason indians now have begun to think, no, there must have been a lot more, and they seek permission to go onto the battlefield and to erect piles of stones where their great grandfather was killed and things of that kind. it's, it's unreliable. >> okay. i know this is completely way off, but my grandmother's full-blooded -- >> excuse me? >> my grandmother's full-blooded iroquois indian. >> everybody in the united states is part indian. >> i can prove it, there's a difference. >> i believe you. [laughter] >> because identify been up to -- i've been up to canada to the hometown where my grandmother was born. >> yeah. >> okay? and there was between 15 and 20 million american indians when i buried my -- in wounded knee book. >>