avery friedman in cleveland and richard herman in austin. all right, gentlemen.is interesting. he says he was never told of any such policy but apparently the new york police department does have a policy in place that says, you know, beards for religious purposes are to be kept one millimeter in length. he says he is not going to trim it at all. he says in fact this kind of cuts into his freedom of religion, avery. >> we're back at the first amendment. what is really intriguing is that there are hasidic jews and sikhs and other members of the nypd that have longer beards. he is 38 years old. he is a former paramedic and enrolled in the police academy. a little old for most rookies but in any event in order to prevail he has to seek that exemption which he apparently has done and then secondly the police department has to prove that there is a rational relation to the rule and that they have accommodated it. at the end of the day this guy i think is going to prevail. >> you do. okay. he does plan on suing. >> yes. >> richard, how do you see it? do you think this

avery friedman and richard herman. ago this would be a lawsuit and one that the nfl was going to have to contend with. all right. so we're talking about 2000 plays suing the league alleging that the nfl had a duty to acknowledge and address risks of neurological injury but instead, fraudulently ignored and concealed the information. that's what the complaint spells out. richard, how will they proceed. >> it's going to be very difficult, fred. head injury in pro football, it horrific and the lasting effects of these things change lives. but in order to be successful in the lawsuit, they're going to have to prove, they're going to have to prove the nfl engaged in a pattern of deception and made fraudulent representations to the players, telling them don't worry, it's not that bad, these injuries are not life long, and they're saying, you know, you can't just -- if someone gets their bell rung, that's the phrase, get your bell rung you can't get give them smelling salts and throw them back on the field with a concussion t

and richard herman, a law professor joining us from las vegas.s well. >> hi, fred. >> all right. gentlemen, a conviction, 45 counts. sentencing has yet to happen. this case is far from over. richard, might there be other case that's develop as a result of this or other charges to be prosecuted now that the court has heard from a number of witness that's came through? and then they didn't hear from one, matt sandusky. this may spark new charges? >> they could spark new criminal charges against sandusky. if you do, i would hope they bring in dottie also as a co-defendant and accomplice. >> that's his wife. >> that's his wife. but it's very interesting this matt sandusky. because this is the alleged reason they did not put jerry sandusky on the witness stand. they feared that as a rebuttal witness the government would call matt sandusky who would after all this time saying no, my father never touched me. he never touched me, now all of a sudden he was going to get on the stand and say, yes, i was molested. >> avery, we don't know. what was the seque

i spoke with our legal guys, avery friedman and richard herman. >> elizabeth lloyd who go-to hit by matthew'sitch, obviously has had reconstructive surgery, other continuing headaches, that type of problem. it's the real thing. the problem is, the liability issue. elizabeth's lawyer claims that matthew who was 11 at the time did it on purpose. nonsensical. i think there is a real question of whether there is going to be liability. clearly i think there was negligence somewhere along the line but was it foreseeable? i don't think so. >> interestingly, this case was filed just two weeks before the statute of limitations ran out in new jersey. civil lawsuits for personal injuries have to be filed within two years. that's an interesting point that may get taken into consideration. richard, the plaintiff elizabeth lloyd wants $500,000. that's what she is suing for. there's actually precedent going back for this to a 1935 case in california's supreme court, right, about the assumption of risk if you're at a game? >> right. that's for professional baseball and that's where assumption and risk is app

let's bring in our legal guys, avery freeman joining us from cleveland, and richard herman, a new yorkriminal defense attorney and law professor. good to see you as well. this is an extraordinary case. wondering if this is kind of precedence setting. avery, you first, we're talking about christmas 2007 this sdent takes place. linda and ray and denise and george are all in a vehicle teeth. they were rear ended. no one is disputing the fact there. they all died either immediately or over time. he pled guilty to speeding, the dui, got 12 years in prison, now he's suing the estate for pain and suffering. is this precedence setting? avery? >> i don't -- i don't think it is. it's a disturbing case, obviously, fredricka. but it involved a felon convicted of certain crimes who is now bringing a civil action. and he's introducing his case with a reconstruction, accident reconstruction expert, trying to say that it was the victim's fault. let me tell you something, he has been on the stand, we heard from him yesterday. and the truth is that his credibility has crumbled all over the place. he's n

and richard herman a new york criminal defense attorney and law professor joining us from las vegas. good to see you as well. >> hi, fred. >> all right, gentlemen. a conviction, 45 counts, sentencing has yet to happen. but this case is really far from over. richard, might there be other cases that develop as a result of this or other charges to be prosecuted now that the court has heard from a number of witnesses that came through? and then they didn't hear from one -- matt -- the adopted son of jerry sandusky but, perhaps, his allegations may spark new charges? >> they could very well spark new criminal charges against sandusky and if they do, i would hope they would bring in dottie, also, as a co-defendant and accomplice. >> that's the wife. >> that's his wife. but it is very interesting this matt sandusky, because this is the alleged reason they did not put jerry sandusky on the witness stand. they feared that as a rebuttal witness the government would call matt sandusky who would, after all this time, saying, no, my father never touched me. he never touched me. now all of a sudde

. >> bring in civil rights attorney and law proffer in cleveland and richard herman, new york defensettorney and law professor in las vegas. the judge said he misrepresented himself. he was not truthful about money. maernl they had a legal defense fund in the bank. he said the family wouldn't be able to afford it. this is much bigger than just this bond hearing, isn't it, that he is going back to jail. this could pave the way in the upcoming trial in what way in your view? >> well, in a number of ways. number one, he's got a hearing coming up on the so-called stand your ground defense. that's going to turn on his credibility with judge lester. judge lester already concluded at least yesterday that george zimmerman is a liar. the odd thing about it, though, these jailhouse conversations about the money going into the website through paypal, fredricka, that conversation is already known. it's audits being brought up now. what's equally if not more important is the fact that after the shooting, george zimmerman went out and got a second passport. what does that tell you? >> when the expi

avery friedman in cleveland and richard herman in austin. he said he was never told of such policy. the new york police department does have a policy in place, says, you know, beards for religious purposes are to be kept one mill meeter in length. he's not going to trim it at all. he says in, fact, this cuts into his freedom of religion. avery? >> yeah, we're back at the first amendment here. what's really intriguing is that there are jews and other members of the nypd that have longer beards. he is 38 years old. he's a former paramedic and enrolled in the police academy. a little old for most police officer rookies. but in any event, in order to prevail, he's got to seek that exemption which he's done and secondly the police department has to prove that there's a rational relation with the rule and they have accommodated it. tend of the day, this guy, i think, is going to prevail. >> do you? he does plan on suingment how do you see it? do you think this is going to be a clean cut for him? >> ooh! >> clean cut. >> good one. >> i took it all in so far. >> yeah. >> even benson and sta

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