difficult conditions if we refuse to take this perspective that we're playing the game of the richard holbrooke's of the world of the bill clinton. and obama's it's a very good point i want to go back to and hear about good dictators and bad dictators ok bahrain was mentioned the saudi royal family was mentioned these are not very nice people on the saudi royal family as a matter of fact they've shown no i mean well i mean then then how do you say to be there an ally of the u.s. they're now ally of the west so is turning a blind eye just like they do there what they do in bahrain which is completely blacked out right now not a peep coming out and western media criticizing are very very little i mean it's to play city. it's duplicity on the part of the government certainly but on the part of those of us that support intervention to stop these things there's no duplicity all of us you are read the guardian i write for the guardian quite often and many a writer there has condemned the inactivity over bahrain many people have condemned the saudi's behavior the point is that you can't intervene everyw

relationships that scary strong lation choose not meet around for instance had with milosevic and richard holbrooke which we have some very interesting connections between holbrooke as a banker and milosevic in his in one nine hundred seventy s. continue on in the one nine hundred eighty s. and one nine hundred ninety s. kind of these mis messages or a misinterpreted message is that often that often evolved into the point where it got to the point of no return where did the abuse of the perception that i should i have a green light to deal with my problems in a violent way or i you know i have been encouraged him in libya to deal with with my our opponents and we called it could our feet was caught reading with the cia for until couple of months before the uprisings and then ghazi in the east so there is some complicity there are some serious problems we have to raise about about how the international community and this includes russia and china how they how they interact with with many of these british eams that cars can cause events on the ground to transform very rapidly we're talking about huma

. >> the books that we are very proud to be involved richard holbrooke widow came to u.s. and said to put together a book that captures richard holbrooke spirit and what he stood for and the work he did. the plan is to publish on the anniversary of his death in december, we have wonderful contributors writing about different parts of his life and career. the it now, bosnia, and also from his own work including more speeches and essays and give us an incredible portrait of old both in his own words and reflections on his career by p

special representative for afghanistan and pakistan richard holbrook from 2009 to 2011. welcome back, gentlemen. both of you. beginning with you, most americans know what the taliban is but explain if you could what is this hakani network and what is its objective? >> the hakani network was born actually during the afghan resistance to soviet occupation of that country. it was one of the mujahadin factions. after the end of the soviet occupation it gradually became quite a vicious lethal insurgent group that in recent years has developed ties with al qaeda and also has a tight relationship with the taliban. it is situated in sanctuaries in north waziristan which is in pakistani territory and then operates from there into eastern afghanistan and then now as we can see all the way to the capital kabul. >> warner: what is its aim? >> to fight the u.s. presence in afghanistan and also to promote the taliban agenda in that country. first in southern afghanistan controlling its own territory in the east but also to destabilize the karzai government. >> warner: general keane, f

it was apparent within the first two or three months, very much thanks to the late ambassador richard holbrooke that talked to me about this issue that nobody had every really taken it on. that was right. if you have the foundation, you have the ability to move forward and start the specialization of the force. third is the relevance of nato. again, i was probably a skeptic as to what the future of nato would hold. if not for this nato organization, we would have been unable to achieve and accomplish the mission we set out to do. we started with two nations and we now have 37 nations contributing trainers here on the ground as a part of the overall effort, you think it's one-sixth of the world's countries today involved in this training effort here in afghanistan, and, again, we went literally from one police professional to now about 525, enormous uplift to get at and accomplish the police mission. 245 gives you a -- this gives you a quick recap of the last two years and the challenges we see out ahead that we're going to take on and work as we continue moving forward, by if i could, i'll turn

when i arrived here, it became very apparent, very much thanks to the late ambassador richard holbrooke, and he was exactly right. if you have the foundation, then you have the ability to move forward and start to professionalize the force. third would be the role of nato. i was probably a skeptic as to what the future of nato would hold. had it not been for this nato organization, we would have been unable to achieve and accomplish the mission we set out to do. we started with two nations. we now have 37 different nations contributing traders on the ground as a part of our overall efforts. about 1/6 of the country world's are involved in this training effort in afghanistan. we went from literally one police professional to now just about 525. enormous uplift in our ability to get at and accomplish the police mission. that kind of gives you a quick recap of where we have been over these last two years. some of the challenges we see ahead that we will take on and work as we continue moving forward. if i could, i will turn it back over to you at this time, george. >> general, thank you ve

and one curiosity here, particularly after the death of richard holbrook is what is the nature of ouran really talk to? >> i think there's a poetic and cultural reliance between the two biggest democracies on earth. the united states and india. and pakistan, the relations broke down to such a degree that there was the mullen/kilani alliance, where their chief of staff, but that really collapsed after the bin laden hit. and now that mullen is accusing kilani of supporting the group, i think the relations are hitting a low point. but for all the right reasons. the pakistanis have committed themselves to terror. they backed the organizations that did the mumbai attack on india, and they're backing the organization that in all likelihood the attack this morning in afghanistan. >> how long do we spend in afghanistan? we're spending $2 billion a week. americans are ready to come home. >> right. i think the president's plan is responsible. you bring 10,000 troops out by christmas, bring another 23,000 out by the end of the afghan fighting season. so they come out in october and november, and

here became very apparent within the first three or four months thanks to the late ambassador richard holbrookewho continually talked to me about this issue that no one had taken it on and he was right. if you have that foundation did you have the ability to move forward and we start the professional as asian. there would be the relevance of nato. you get out and i will tell you had it not been for this nato organization we would have been unable to achieve and accomplish the mission we set out to do. we started with two nations and we now have 37 different nations contributing the trainers on the ground as a part of our effort about one, do you think that one sixth of the world's country is bald in this training effort in afghanistan? and again we went from literally one police professional to 525, an ability to really get out to accomplish the police mission. what i did see is that kind of gives you a recap of where we spend a last two years and some of the challenges that we see as we continue moving forward but if i could i would turn it back over to you what this time, george. >> thank you