richard holbrooke i think rightly said we've got to have a place where they can be so that we can engage them. this is all done in coordination with the united states, the reception for them, the security and everything else i think met all of our standards. and the same with one or more of the hamas leaders who, again, are there because israel and the u.s. asked them to be there. it's not say all the others and all the rest of this -- >> that's more the exception than the rule, i would say. >> yeah, but you've got to be careful not to undermine the arguments or the points, if you will, by those that are not accurate, because there's enough, i think, otherwise. i think the points you made are very reasonable. and i do think, for what it's worth, having -- you and i both maybe more than others are the recipients of lots of communication from either side in this discussion and have been able to ferret out for ourselves, i think, what is fact and what is not quite so factual. and, look, i think they are quite intent to this point in living by that mou, and i wish the united states would dec