and it was through richard holbrook a former boss and force of nature who was determined to get her elected. i'll always be grateful that he pulled me into that campaign. fast forward three years later,

and my boss at the time, richard holbrooke, who you knew -- >> stephen: yes. >> this larger-than-life days decrying what he said was overtaken by military thinking. and there are senior obama administration officials saying we were snowed by a culture of celebrity generals and the diplomats never got into the room. and what that means is you have a very skewed approach to problems. instead of a system where our peacemakers and negotiators spare our brave service men and women from going head-long into conflicts, the first solution is military. and that's a problem all over the world. >> stephen: back in the-- dennis kucinich, had called for the development or creation of the department of peace. and willie nelson was a fan of kucinich's, and i had richard holbrooke and willy on the same night-- he was no, a peace between me and willy because we had competing ice cream flavors. after show the was over and they sang "on the road again," he said why don't you create a department of peace? don't we need one? and holbrooke, who is a very tall man, looked down at willy and said, "billy, we

he deferred to go work at the state department under richard holbrooke. he's had jobs at state and the u.n. now he's written a book about how the united states relates to the world. for it he interviewed many of the top loomnaries in american foreign, including every living secretary of state. this is his first tv interview argues "war on peace, the end of diplomacy and decline of american influence." a pleasure to have you on. >> a pleasure to be here, fareed. >> at a time when these sensitive negotiations are going on, at a time when the iran deal seems in peril, when i ask you, what is the big problem you see with this -- this sort of short shrift being given to diplomacy. a lot of people say it's fine the secretary of state can negotiate, the president can meet kim. what is being missed here? >> america is undergoing a fundamental transformation in how it relates to the rest of the world. we have fewer subject matter experts on the kinds of complicated situations like iran and north korea that you just mentioned, more and more soldiers and spies makin

he deferred to go work at the state department under the legendary diplomat, richard holbrooke. he's had jobs at state and u.n. now he has written a book about how the united states relates to the world. for it he interviewed many of the top luminaries in american foreign policy, including every living secretary of state. this is his first tv interview around the new book, "war on peace: the end of diplomacy and the decline of american influence." pleasure to have you on. >> pleasure it be here, fareed. >> at a time when there are sensitive negotiations going on over north korea, at a time when the iran deal seems in peril, i want to ask you, what is the big problem you see with this -- this sort of short shrift being given to diplomacy, with the state department budget being cut? there are a lot of people who say, that's fine, the secretary of state can negotiate. the president can go and meet kim. what is being missed here? >> america is undergoing a fundamental transformation in how it relates to the rest of the world. we have fewer and fewer negotiators and diplomats and sub

richard holbrooke came to the u.n. security council in january of 2000. for the first time in history, an issue of public health was brought to the security council for deliberation. - what president clinton was able to do was to understand, i think better than many people, the various parts of what our national security was about. that it wasn't just about having a strong military, which is obviously very important, but understanding that the conditions in other countries affect our national security. - [j.] the watershed moment was president george bush's state of the union address, january 28, 2003. - i asked the congress to commit 15 billion dollars over the next five years, including nearly 10 billion dollars in new money to turn the tide against aids in the most afflicted nations of africa and the caribbean. (applause) - it marked the moment where the u.s. was committing to move from millions to billions and to put millions of people on antiretroviral therapy. - [narrator] the president's emergency plan for aids relief, or pepfar, represented the la

richard holbrook came in and was meant to be the special envoy to afghanistan and pakistan. he was strained from the white house buthe he thought that diplomacy around the election that he would try to shape the selection and peace to say diplomacy was like jazz a lot of improvisation required and he started to me toward theal election by basically talking to as many potential alternative as he could s identify like the late brother and he said i think i'm the onlyly person you have not invited to run against karzai. of course he got wind of this almost immediately and became understandably upset and paranoid that the americans would overthrow him. but there was no authorization to replace him and he had no plan to achieve the goal and to make that tory short we ended up with the worst of both worlds because karzai is reelected and he believes with reason united states is out to get him and he is infuriated in shapes about our inability to coerce pakistan with his growing estrangement for the u.s. i mentioned this walk with minister talking about mandela and holly after the

top state department diplomat richard holbrook said this was nonsense, he said the united states could have its cake and eat it too, we could offer protection to the central and eastern europeans without alienating russia and he said years from now people will look back at the debate and wonder what all the fuss was about. they will notice that nothing has changed in russia's relationship with the west. it is difficult to be more wrong than richard was. let's fast-forward to our current era where russia is led by vladimir putin. his primary foreign policy and vision has been to restore the political and economic space and to understand russia thinking about this, this is a very interesting map. it's a map of what i would call the russian view of the world. north is at the bottom, not to talk. you're looking at europe as a russian might see it in moscow, and what's very noticeable, if you look at the western border, it's thousands of miles of planes and unprotected by any bodies of water or any mountains. sure, russia may be paranoid at times, but paranoids have enemies. napoleon invade

richard holbrook came in and was meant to be the special envoy to afghanistan and pakistan. he was immediately estranged from the white house. obama did not appreciate his style. but he thought the diplomacy around the election was his lane and washington lingo. he was going to try to shape the he used to say that diplomacy was like jazz. a little improvisation required and he started to move toward the election date by basically talking to as many potential alternatives to hamid karzai as he could identify. there is a scene where he runs into a brother of the late -- in kabul. and he says i think i'm the only person in kabul? i'm not invited to run against hamid karzai. i should feel insulted. and hamid karzai of course got wind of this almost immediately. and he became, understandably, upset and paranoid the americans were out to overthrow him. but holbrook had no authorization from the white house to replace hamid karzai. and he had no plan to achieve the goal. and to make an episodic and quite vivid story short, we end up with the worst of both worlds in this case. hamid

and it was through richard holbrook a former boss and force of nature who was determined to get her elected. i'll always be grateful that he pulled me into that campaign. fast forward three years later, i was working at state department when devastating news came. holbrook then the u.s. special representative for afghanistan and pakistan had suffered a catastrophic aortic rupture during a meeting in secretary clinton's office he was rushed into surgery as colleagues, friends, and world leaders held vigil. when worst happened, there were group of us standing in quivering clump in hospital lobby e crying and rem innocences in walk secretary clinton, it was after 9 at night, that day she held meetings up in ottawa and hosted the entire washington >>matic core for holiday party. after a comforting the family we expected she would be with to rest and mourn in private having lost one of her closest aids. instead, she stayed -- with us a staff at a loss of what to do. sarkt clinton demonstrated to us her act in a crisis let's all go a bar she said. [laughter] and for hours -- she sat she had us al

i came into her orbit in 2007 when she first ran for president, and it was the richard holbrooke, former boss and force of nature who was determined to get her elected. i'll always be grateful that he pulled into that campaign. fast forward three years later, i was working at state department when devastating news game. holbrooke, then the u.s. special representative for afghanistan and pakistan, had suffered a catastrophic aortic rupture during a meeting in secretary clinton's office. he was rushed into surgery as colleagues and , friends and wod leaders held vigil. when the worst happened, there were a group of a standing in a quivering clunk in the hospital lobby crying, hugging and reminiscing. in walks secretary clinton. it was after nine at night. that day shield meetings up in ottawa and hosted the entire washington diplomatic corps for a holiday party. after comforting the family we expected she would be off to rest and more in private having lost one of her closest aides. instead, she stayed with us, a ragtag group of former staff, at a loss for what to do your secretary clinton

. >> you had a front row seat working for richard holbrook who was not the most popular person on thee says to you, have you taken leave of your senses? never good when your boss says that to you, ronan. what had you done? with his vein popping out. >> this is the last stretch his life and an incredible career on the world stage. he was a difficult, complicated person. this is a really personal book in a lot of ways. it's also partly a memoir of my time seeing these changes firsthand as a little guy at the bottom of the totem pole in that administration and holbrook was a great lens through which to view this problem. he brokered peace in bosnia. he understood how military might is arrayed behind diplomats. people are saying restore the balance in a more sense of the way. he was a great example. >> tonight is the time 100 list. congratulations. you're on it. i can't imagine what your life is like. >> my life has been very tired, gayle. very grateful for all the sources that spoke in those stories about weinstein and in this book. there are a lot of whistle blowers who put a lot on the