your great mentor from your early days, richard leakey, he says he doesn't see much prospect of kenyan do you share it? no, i don't share that view. i think richard has his reasons for his beliefs, and don't forget, he has also believed in the past that things were beyond repair... perhaps his reasons are the ones we have already touched upon, that the government is committed to an industrialisation growth first strategy, that the population of kenya, currently over 50 million is projected to reach more than 90 million by 2050. i mean, these are just very basic facts which might mean there is no room for the wildlife that you have spent your life trying to defend and conserve? yeah, i actually don't believe that. i think the protected areas are secure. we have to defend them, we will have to work at that. but i think the success will be in how we prevent them from becoming islands. that we actually ensure that every protected area has a buffer zone, has a community of people who are working to support it and are benefiting from that support. and these protected areas are connected beca