anita wall street journal op-ed, professor richard mueller argued the most damaging evidence for a labk is in the virus's own genome saying the presence of a double see gg sequence suggests covid came from a lab. this is a sequence commonly used in gain of function research which we know for a fact was happening at the wuhan lab. the really damning part mueller says the dna combination in coronavirus's has never been found in nature as they write at the minimum this implies the leading theory for the origin of coronavirus must be laboratory escape. those two scientists join me now. professor emeritus professor of physics at the university of california berkeley, let's start with you. you say there is a second key piece of evidence pointing to a lab leak explain that. >> the concept of pre-adaption. in all previous zoonotic infections with a confirmation nature gives us a break, adjusts to humans but human to human transmission can't be sustained and that is a month to year process. here not only did the first patients get infected and very sick, but transmitted human to human that was

i want to play something from richard mueller, physics professor at uc berkeley, what he said about tryingget to the bottom of this. >> some people say we will never know, not until china confesses or and thus we have a whistle-blower. we have a whistle-blower. it was the virus itself. it came here. it came out of china. he came to us and carried with it genetic information. >> shannon: doctor, how can it be helpful tossing trying to get answers. >> first of all, transparency from china is critical and that's why this investigation and the hearing today was so important. knowing if this virus was asymptomatic they transferable from person-to-person from the start could've saved millions of lives, thousands of lives here in the united states. the more data we have the more information we have, the better i can protect my patients, the better i can provide medical care for my patients and the better we can prevent future pandemics or at least minimize the mortality moving forward. it really is unconscionable if china had this information. we know there was an extreme lack of transparency fro

the author of that piece is richard mueller.e to the program. >> thank you very much. stuart: what evidence do you have that points to the wuhan lab? >> the evidence comes from the virus itself and it is purely scientific. it has nothing to do with speculation. it is not circumstantial. the virus itself is carrying a signal that it had had been genetically manipulated. there are is short sequence of molecules in this genetic code. we caught it down sig. it doesn't cocure in this virus naturally or other related viruses naturally but has been used over and over again by the wuhan laboratory when doing their published manipulation which they have done. this is in the virus. remarkably when they published the sequence in the virus they didn't mention this was in it. they mapped the virus but they left that out of the paper. was discover ad short time afterwards a short i'm by other scientists i it is the smoking gun. it is telling us that it came from the wuhan laboratory there are other scientific evidence. i want to emphasize let

richard mueller and dr. quay. with lawmakers what do you want the direction of this forum to be? >> i really want to focus on the designs and capabilities the chinese communist development developed around synthetic biology in the future warfare. i'm not it was released as an attack vector using biology but they were developing it secretly at the wuhan institute of virology and apparently got loose through an accident that has had -- we have to hold the chinese accountable. that's the focus. not a partisan issue. everybody should agree with this. >> trace: we hear we have to hold china -- sanctions and visa restrictions and relocating the olympics. is this enough in your estimation to compel the chinese to cooperate? >> probably not enough. we may never be able to compel them to cooperate. we may be able to coerce them. different than being a nice diplomat like i was trained to be. we can be a lot more coercive. sanctions can be more draconian in nature if they don't comply with evidence. we could unleash the grea

richard mueller.s a lab leak. but, they are scientists and they have looked at the genetic fingerprint and coronavirus 19 has a genome mic sequencing combination used by gain of function research. extremely rare, no naturally occurring coronavirus that has ever had this sequence. in other words, it's pretty much a trillion to 1 that it is anything other than a lab leak. ainsley: reminds me one of my good friends a doctor said ainsley if you look at the virus its of it it has hglc. it has receptor on covid that receptor wouldn't get there, i guess the same thing these doctors are talking about. steve: put it in a particular way. splice it and unique to what they do with gain of function research. >> take an animal virus soup it up and make it a human virus. many people think something obviously went wrong inside the lab. brian: i cannot ever top the scientific dialogue you two just presented. i can't even pronounce half those words. i'm going to go to the basic, the big picture. if they told us it was

richard nixon cared about the reaction to the saturday night massacre. and donald trump, would it have happened if donald trump had fired robert mueller, andrew weissmann, and everybody were working there. donald trump wasn't wouldn't have cared what the reaction to that was. >> no. certainly donald trump was always going to do what was in the best interest of donald trump. and we were always scared by his corrupt instincts. we were spared though, by his incompetence. but just because donald trump is gone, does not mean that corruption and racism and the saudi and bigotry are gone. we still see it manifesting itself in many of the leaders in the republican party, today. and that is why we should take this opportunity to get rid of that doj policy that says no president can be indicted. we should not allow the department of justice to defend donald trump's lawsuit that eugene carroll has brought against him. we should learn from all of the vulnerabilities he expose. the honor code that we thought was in place that would protect us, did not protect us under donald trump. and now it is incumbent upon us to put that honor code and qualify in the rule of law