we saw with richard murdock and todd akin, there are certain areas where it seems increasingly -- certainre increasingly political kryptonite, and, yet, there is still a hunger on the state level to go forward with this legislation. you have to wonder at what point does the national party leadership, if it even exists anymore, step -- at what point do they step in and say enough? enough with this? it is not working for us or good for us? it is not good for the party. >> well, on a rationale measure, based on election results, you would say now, but, actually, this isn't a -- there's a parallel with the gun debate. not because you threw that up at the top here, but where you have a national advocacy group, in this case it's about choice, but it could be the nra, which is very effective at the state level, and pushes people on through primaries, the national leadership is not willing to take them off. no matter what the polls say, no matter what the demographics. even where it's relatively easy on immigration where the organization that is anti-immigration reform is perhaps less organized,