historians michele and richard norton smith are back in washington and richard, i rudely interrupted you when you were about to make a point. i was asking the two of you to comment on the little bit about what we heard from charlie christ how devitted the parties are and we heard your colleague michael say it has not been this divided since 1861 and you were starting to weigh-in. i've seen tweets from people who heard what michael said and do you agree with him? >> the point i was making was go back to 1960 an election that lots of people look back on fondly as a model exercise in modern american democracy. it was in many ways a consensus election because it was a consensus society, shaped by the cold war, by the common experiences of the great depression, ww2, and at the same time each part broadly liberal and broadly conservative each party was a coalition. it was an ideological, geographical, demographic coalition. and in such a mere held up to the country. in his own time fdr and barry goldwater from different ends of the political spectrum each argued that was illogical. we need