thank you lauren wright and richard painter for being with tried. the last half or so, as we've been looking through some of the potential consequences about the event going on right now inside that court building, live in miami. let's just take you through all the different live picture we have right now, just to keep right up to date with what has happened. these pictures that you're seeing are the courthouse, clearly aerial pictures from the helicopter there. we also do have access to other camera feed positions. this is on the ground level. at the courthouse there. that is the shot that we will be waiting for, as and when donald trump leaves, which we are not expected to be too long. the proceedings inside courts are fairly standard, fairly quick, fairly barren. it is not to long, so it should not be long before he leaves potentially from that exit there, in that motorcade, and will be heading straight to miami international airport. from there, he will fly back to new jersey, and while he is at new jersey, and while he is at new jersey, that is

richard painter, what did you make of that? n't want to use the old phrase, but you may well still be muted. there we go, we can hear you now. start again. richard: yes, this is about handling of classified information, not partisan politics. i will reiterate what i told the white house staff in 2005 when i gave the ethics lectures on how to handle classified information. one, you do not take it home with you. you story only in a secure facility. second, you do not show it to anyone who does not have a security clearance -- anyone in the media, political action committee, nobody who doesn't have a security clearance can see those documents. that is strick lee prohibited. people need a security clearance to see the documents. third, when there is a compromise of classified information, there will be an investigation, and it is quickly important to cooperate with the investigation--critically important to cooperate with the investigation, so we can ascertain where the documents are, who has seen them, and we can get them back. thi

wright is a lecturer in politics at princeton university and former white house ethics lawyer richard painteroming on the programme. so, just so you guys know, we are going to keep the live pictures rolling beside you, because this is an extraordinary moment, whatever way you look at it. more and this is a moment of us history. absolutely. it's the first time we've ever seen anything like this. and that's the case with many things trump does. it's not even his first indictment. and so, you know, i study the politics of this of presidential history, and one thing that continues to fascinate me about trump is the steadiness of the base and their support for him. however, i don't think it's responsible to say this will somehow help him. i don't think we have any evidence of that. he might keep— that. he might keep lauren, you've 'ust froze that. he might keep lauren, you've just froze in — that. he might keep lauren, you've just froze in there. _ that. he might keep lauren, you've just froze in there. i _ that. he might keep lauren, you've just froze in there. i don't - that. he might keep laure

so richard painter was my ethics adviser when i worked in the west wing.r would have taken me to jail myself if i ripped up or burned anything while i worked in the white house. this is the white house chief of staff burning things once or twice a week after meetings. this is in and of itself an unbelievable account from his most senior, his closest aide. what do you think the odds are that some immunity was given to mr. meadows before he testified, before jack smith's probe into both the documents and january 6th? >> some sort of deal had to have been reached. either it is one where he was given immunity or it is one where he had to plead guilty to something and he is hoping for what is called a sentencing letter to the judge for leniency for cooperating. but the key for immunity is that discussion prior to immunity being afforded, the way this works, is his defense lawyer would tell jack smith, these are the things you could expect to hear from mark meadows if you immunize him. you don't want to buy a pig in a poke. you want to know if you immunize someo