captain richard phillips belies his hair-raising ordeals which started wednesday. >> they were pointing the ak-47 at the captain. >> the standoff ended with a order issued to the military. it gave the snipers permission to fire if the captain's life was in danger. phillips may have jumped out of the boat which allowed snipers a chance to fire. three pirates were killed and the fourth turned himself in. the captain has not spoken publically but spoke with friends and colleagues who screen him as -- describe him as a hero. >> i'm just the by line, the heroes are those that brought me home. that's his quote. >> president obama praised the u.s. military and the freighters captain. >> i share the nation's admiration for captain phillips selfless concern for his crew. he's america's newest reluctant hero. he's back on american soil giving credit. they did the impossible. >> those men are the three navy s.e.a.l. snipers that fired three shots into a rocking lifeboat where phillips was held hostage for five days killing all three on board. >> we survived because of our captain. the 19 crew memb

. >> mark phillips, thank you. richard steng sell a former "time" magazine managing editor.wrote the biography "mandela's way" and collaborated with mandela on his own autobiography and also wrote an article for "time" magazine on stands now. welcome. >> thanks, charlie. >> we're watching this and wondering how much nelson mandela might have thought about this day and planned for it. >> you know, charlie, i did ask him about his not only legacy but what he thought was going to happen to him when he died. and he wasn't a religious man. i think he was a spiritual man. he would always say something form lake, i will dwell among my ancestors,ly walk the hills as a boy. i think he just didn't like talking about it. and he would always say, look, i'm not a legend, i'm not an aicon, i'm not a saint, i'm a regular flesh and blood guy. and i don't know that he thought about it that much, but the south african government has obviously thought about it a great deal. and, you know, i don't think i'm being sacrilegious to say nelson mandela is south africa's greatest export. the governme