richard rohr is one of the most popular spirituality authors and speakers in the world. his ideas appeal to people across faith traditions, and to spiritual seekers as well. rohr argues that most organized religions dispense doctrine when they should be encouraging personal transformation. >> without transformation, you can assume you're at a high moral, spiritual level just because you call yourself lutheran or methodist or catholic. i think my great disappointment as a priest has been to see how little actual spiritual curiosity there is in so many people. >> reporter: rohr's popularity may be surprising since his ideas are highly nuanced and draw deeply from mythology, philosophy and psychology. he's lecturedcross the globe. and his books have been translated into numerous languages. his latest book is called "falling upward," and addresses the importance of the spiritual journey. >> it feels like falling, but it isn't falling. it's learning. it's transcending. >> reporter: in what he calls the first half of life, rohr says we're mostly concerned with everyday interest