joe is off today, but with willie and me, we have mike barnacle, noah rothman, susan dellpercio, richard haass, eugene robinson, as well. richard, let's go right there. are all these crises, if you could speak to them, are they one offs or are are they worldwide populism still burning? >> i wish they were one offs, but at the risk of starting people's day on a downer, this is now part of the new normal. you've got populism of the left, real concerns about inequality, making ends meet. you've got politics to the right against immigration over cultural anxiety and then against a back drop, as i said, what we used to call the west, no consensus and not a lot of will on how to organize the world. so you add this all up, a lack of international cooperation, i never thought when i wrote a book with the word disarray in the title i would be an optimist. guess what, things have turned out worse than i thought. >> is there a way out for macron and may looking forward? >> in the long run, there's a way out. there's nothing about this that is inevitable. it's not inevitable that things are bad, but