on about books programs report on the latest publishing news in nonfiction books we spoke with richard rubinobout his latest book on american political trivia. >> how did this project get started? >> it really got started when i was about nine years old. i actually started watching c-span. i'm a political junkie i don't know it some reason i had this gravitational pull to it. i had an interest specifically and the new show, the facts and is interesting so became a political. the first book i wrote little known facts in american politics for than i did a book to her people i did a book about political quotations in american politics. then i did when that was all encompassing we are looking for political book to buy. looking at buying presidential trivia books men were question, answer, question, answer. i got this idea had this information inside my head and went to put together some sort of a trivia game. but also one where you can learn something. as well as interesting. 21705 questions later i put them all together and anything i could think apart also used and you think about what you know