richard spencer. richard spencer, who once... the white nationalist?at racist isn't a descriptive term, it's a pejorative term. but i would argue with richard spencer, that no, racist is a descriptive term. it describes when a person is saying there's something wrong with a particular racial group. it describes when someone is doing nothing in the face of racial inequity. it describes when someone is supporting a policy that's creating more racial inequity. and what's interesting about that term, like anti—racist, is one minute, i can say something that is deeply racist, you know what? this is what is wrong with black people, and then in the next minute i can say in which the ways that racial groups are equals. i'm just wondering, with your sort of fascinating but nonetheless quite abstract theorising about some of this, whether you are failing to sort of reach out to the hearts and minds of ordinary folk. because in essence, what you are saying to many ordinary americans, and let us focus on white americans right now, is that they are racist. their in

we have these efforts of richard spencer type people but a lot of what i talk about in the book is also just efforts to censor people on the left. you mentioned were jason mentioned the director for boys don't cry, it's not the just purpose or objective, they put on the podium like a f you, i don't know if we can swear on c-span, but they would do this to stop him from talking. being bad on free speech i completely agree with and coastline and that doesn't surprise me. and some of the efforts like on the left would be to stop people also on the left from speaking to. last week i wrote about a high school in san francisco. it's bad on the censorship issues with this painter hated the idea of a george washington was being portrayed as a saintly figure in all of the textbooks if he wanted to portray the truth which they send forces to and we had a bad history with slavery and all that and that is reflected in the painting that now leftist members of the san francisco community are trying to get repainted and it cost $600,00$600,000 the school distt because it is problematic. again that is

though, to be fair, the already adopted this as a symbol during the campaign and richard spencer, theinfamous neo-nazi justin of election. this wasn't the first entrÉe into politics. many conspiracy theories turned in to political causes in 2014 and pizza gate in 2015 and just a few years prior to that, they responded with international far west collective known as anonymous which had played a rolhave played arole in occupied the era of spring. as the trump presidency progress, my friends delighted in forwarding me the increasingly bizarre stories on the pages of the major publications as if to say how is that going to fit since these were so preposterous. the joke was of course they wouldn't fit into my scheme or any others. they were by definition, totally random, designed to attack the reason itself and its ability to make sense of the world. strangers would gasp when i explained to the subjec the subk was very timely, they would reply. another thought would then occur to them. how come it must be so difficult, they would add. every week it changes. what they meant by this was that

when the white nationalist richard spencer celebrated trump's election by declaring, "hail trump" at an alt-right conference where the nazi salute was being used. in charlottesville, david duke, the former leader of the kkk said, this is why we voted for donald trump, because he said he's going to take back the country. after trump tweeted his "go back" screed, a leading neo-nazi website said, this is the kind of nationalism we elected him for. he knows it, he saw it. and on 8chan, a haven for radicalism on the internet, where the declaration of hate linked to the el paso shooter was posted, one commentator wrote that trump is helping to normalize the most extreme because hisiments perceived authority carries so much weight. we have a problem with this rising tide of white supremacy in america. and we have a president who encourages and emboldens it. the statistics are clear. extremism is on the rise in america. the southern poverty center finds that, of the 1020 hate groups operating in the united states in 2018, that is how many there are, they pointed out that white nationalist gr

content is taken down why how when it violated a policy and that's the same thing if you look at richard spencer david duke's twitter accounts right david duke being the grand wizard of the ku klux klan why are their twitter accounts online still that is a very good and profound question of which there is not a clear answer from twitter and their policy team that's something i would love to know the answer to why do those accounts stay up in other accounts are taken down. i think it's important to also highlight as well. again why is it mean to self identify as a white nationalists and to say something on a more mainstream platform for example i do believe buzz feed reported this that they facebook was going to take down white nationals or white supremacy groups facebook groups but some of those groups still stand i believe that was from an article from a couple of things to go to a year ago but these are deeper questions to actually and i do think perhaps we should come back and focus maybe on something like a channel full time we're running out of a time had no policy was definitely a but as o

pepe the frog as a symbol during the campaign and richard spencer, had not been stopped during trump'snauguration. all of this is not their first trade in politics as many 4 chan conspiracy theories turned into political causes. gamer gate and pizzagate in 2016 and a few years prior to that, international far left, played a role in occupy wall street. as the trump presidency, the increasingly bizarre stories that appear for major publications. how is that going to fit? trump era events are so preposterous. they would not fit into my scheme or others. they are totally random. strangers would gas when they said the subject of my book was be all right, very timely, they would reply but another thought would occur, how? it must be so difficult. they would add sympathetically every week it changes. what they meant by this is the media reports trump, fake news, late-night tv and talking head pundits on 24 hour cable news all tangled with a heap of social media where the font of confusion, the great source of chaos. what they were saying was how can you even understand the font of confusion?

when the white nationalists richard spencer celebrated trumps election by declaring hail trump at an all right conference where the nazi salute was being used. in charlottesville, david duke, the former leader of the kkk said -- this is why we voted for donald trump. he said he's going to take back the country. tweeted his go back screen, a leading neo-nazi website said that this is the kind of nationalism we elected him for. he knows it, he saw it. 8chan, a haven for radicalism on the internet, where the from the elof hate paso shooter was posted, one commentator wrote a trump is helping to normalize the most extreme radical sentiments because of his perceived authority carrying so much weight. thisve a problem with rising tide of white supremacy in america. and we have a president who encourages and emboldens it. the statistics are clear. extremism is on the rise in america. the southern poverty center the 1020 hate groups operating in the united states in 2018, that is how many that are, they pointed out white nationalist groups have surged by over 50%. , and active shooter with t

and if the name richard spencer sounds familiar to our viewers is because he's the person who coinedhe term alternative right. he continued that in 2008. he leaves the right think tank, and it's a sin nom. so when you think about the fact that there was a website called breitbart.com, it still exists but it used boo eto run by a guy that was just on tv on another net, that called itself the home of the alt right and who ran donald trump's campaign, when you think about the fact that richard spencer who coined this term who's a white nationalist is associated with someone called stephen miller, they now try to disavow one another -- the fact that people associated with the alt-right, which is just straight up white nationalism, the fact those people have been or are working in the white house, what do you make of that? >> well, you know, joy, as i was reflecting on my time to be with you this morning i want to say that what happened in charlottesville two years ago was tragic in a virulent way but also was a missed opportunity for the leadership of this country to stand up and say yes

content is taken down why how when it violated a policy and that's the same thing if you look at richard spencer david duke's twitter accounts right david duke being the grand wizard of the ku klux klan why are their twitter accounts online still that is a very good and profound question of which there is not a clear answer from twitter and their policy team that's something i would love to know the answer to why do those accounts take up another accounts are taken down. i think it's important to also highlight as well. again why is it mean to self identify as a white nationalist and to say something on a more mainstream platform for example i do believe buzz feed reported this that they facebook is going to take down white nationals or white supremacy groups facebook groups but some of those groups still stand i believe that was from an article from a couple of things to go 2 year ago but these are deeper questions to actually and i do think perhaps we should come back and focus maybe on something like a channel full time we're running out of a time had no policy was definitely but as of this i

content is taken down why how when it violated a policy and that's the same thing if you look at richard spencer david duke's twitter accounts right david duke being a grand wizard of the ku klux klan why are their twitter accounts online still that is a very good and profound question of which there is not a clear answer from twitter and their policy team that's something i would love to know the answer to why did those accounts stay up another accounts are taken down. i think it's important to also highlight as well. again why is it mean to self identify as a white nationalist and to say something on a more mainstream platform for example i do believe buzz feed reported this that they facebook was going to take down white nationals or white supremacy groups facebook groups but some of those groups still stand i believe that was from an article from a couple of things to go to a year ago but these are deeper questions to actually and i do think perhaps we should come back and focus maybe on something like a channel full time we're running out of a time had no policy was definitely a but as of t

the book where you say they learn not to protest and certainly we can say chris cantwell and richard spencer. they all seem to have run around and attacks as you point out turned against each other but there is a way in which the internet still allows this movement to bergen and flourish. i absolutely stipulate that you are right and tim casey did that massive study on what went wrong and how the police need to do things different. but we learned something i think we can stipulate that we learned a lot. i think at the same time we can't not wreck in with the fact that el paso just happened and the garlic festival before that in the tree of life before that. so i feel like there are two things going on. we are talking about quelling and quashing some of the all right figures but it definitely feels as though the movement has gone from protests and marches to something more insidious, you know? >> guest: what is the common denominator there? i would go back to donald trump. he is coble. he led america down that day in charlottesville when they came out. they were cheering him and i have the qu

airing the richard spencer -- right? divisive moment in media, cnn giving a huge platform to this white nationalists. a lot of reporters who cover hate speech were very upset about it. it is about being conscientious in how you are covering it. it should open a larger conversation. should we report on it, how? that is something we have not really figured out yet. fernando: i think people were inclined to cover things because it would perform well, people want to see it. but if you are not adding anything to the narrative and are just giving a platform, there is better uses of your time. if you are giving someone a platform, there better be good value, because -- that might be the way it is and we are just reflecting society, but when people see things over and over, you are a little desensitized to it. olivia: i completely agree with that. i think the internet makes it kind of a dangerous place sometimes because it opens up a door for people who might not say those things in public or to your face. but i like the approac

when the white nationalist richard spencer celebrated trump's election by declaring hail trump at an alt-right conference where the nazi salute was being used. david duke, the former leader of the kkk, said this is why we voted for donald trump, because he said he is going to take back the country. after trump tweeted his go back screed, a leading neo-nazi website said, this is the kind of nationalism we elected him for. he knows it. he saw it. and on 8chan, a haven for radicalism on the internet, where a declaration of hate linked to el paso's shooter was posted, one commentator wrote that trump is helping normalize the most extreme radical sentiments because his perceived authority carries so much weight. we have a problem with this rising tide of supremacy, white supremacy in america, and we have a president who encourages and emboldens it. the statistics are clear. extremism is on the rise in america. the southern poverty center finds that of the 1,020 hate groups operating in the united states in 2018, that's how many there are, they pointed out that white nationalist groups hav

and another thing that i want to say, when you have richard spencer who was a white nationalist say thats a white zionist and you are standing with that and he views israel as -- as the kind of staft th state that he wants to import elsewhere where you have a master race and everybody else is treated as subhuman, if you subscribe that that in israel or iraq or south africa, then you shouldn't be surprised that we elect people like donald trump and his ilks. either -- there's no both sides. it's like saying the neo-nazis, there's fine people on both sides. there's no both sides. either you stand with democracy, equality, and legality and human rights, or against it. so you have to choose. i stand with the government. any government that stands for equality, morality, and legality. anything else, it's really a joke. >> thank you. appreciate your being here. i was simply trying to make the point that both sides praise the that other seeks their destruction. answer the survey question at smerconish.com. would an economic downturn cause president trump's base to abandon him? >>> still to come

that is something you expect to hear from a follower of richard spencer, not of william f. buckley, jr. >> the companion piece to that, they always say, i'm not a racist, i just love my race. >> exactly. >> i don't hate black people. i just love my race. >> that's kind of the vibe you get from this article. i've never been accused by a mainstream publication before of being a self-hating white. this is the kind of stuff that i hear on the dark corners of the internet from actual white supremacists and so to see this actually -- this kind of filth directed at me from national review, which is, you know, a publication that is defined american conservatism since the 1950s. >> william f. buckley. >> this is a magazine i grew up reading, an doctor son. i had a subscription in national review when i was 13. >> subscription at 13. wow, it doesn't surprise me, but i kind of love that idea. >> at 13. >> were your folks like, okay, sure. >> it was really my father who said, you need to read this. and i did. bill buckley became one of my heroes. so it's heart breaking for me to see wh

that's something you expect to hear from a follower of richard spencer. >> and the companion piece is say, i'm not a racist, i just love my race. i don't hate black people, i just love my race. >> that's the vibe you get from this article. i've never been accused of being a self-hating white. this is the stuff i hear on the dark corners on the internet and to see this kind of fillth directed at me from the national review, this is a -- >> william. if this is a magazine that i grew up reading. >> you got a subscription when you were 13. it doesn't surprise me, but i love that idea that at 13 -- were your folks like, okay, sure. >> it was my father who -- >> he did. >> he said you need to read this. and bill buckly became one of my heroes. and now it is indulging in this kind of rhetoric. >> the other thing that this writer wrote is -- i honestly didn't understand it. he said that you had demonstrated that you hate yourself and that your writing was boutique and performative which i don't know what that means. >> it was a very strange article because basically it was saying that boots a

when you turn around to the richard spencers and the david dukes and his cheering section, it makes itdifficult for those folks to refute. >> melissa: you say on one and you don't think it's a winning issue to go out there and say that you alienate people, and then on the other hand you just spent 60 seconds of valuable air time enumerating why the president is a racist. so don't you think -- it seems like maybe democrats in general can't resist going to that place, of saying that he's a racist, even if it doesn't get any points nor gain any ground and eats up time when you could be talking about an agenda. >> you asked me a question specifically about him and i try to do my level best to answer that. i go back to my original point -- no one can go out there and base their candidacy or think they are going to win as a result of this dynamic. they still need to go out and present a cohesive agenda for the country and compete on that turf. while at the same time they can't turn around and just lie. if it's something that they believe, it's important that a candidate is honest. so as they

against a jewish woman in montana who ran a business in the hometown of white supremacist leader richard spencer. that $14 million judgment was ordered by a magistrate judge. it's now being reviewed by a federal district court judge. but you're starting to get a sense of how these things are going. if you are ever motivated in your life, god forbid, to make a donation to the daily stormer, your donation will now be garnished, will now be taken by the court and instead given to these victims of online racist and anti-semitic attacks waged by the daily stormer and its adherence. it's nice. and now today, again, happy friday! it's happened again. there's a new one. again, this just happened today. it's been kind of a bang-up day. this time it concerns this young woman, seen here in this footage we're about to show you in a very happy moment after winning an election. this is footage from then campus tv station at her school. >> president taylor -- >> crowds cheered when taylor's name was announced. we caught up with taylor and here's what she had to say. >> i don't have words for this. i just -- i

people who consider themselves more academic racists, like richard spencer who say they aren't pushingce abc things like that. then you have people who actively want to create violence and look to people like dylann roof or other mass shooters as their icons in this movement. i think the most troubling thing like the unifying thing for all those people, if you spend time on gab or 8chan or storm front, these places where they spooek speak to each other, the people they're going back to for inspiration, the quotes they're resharing are quotes from people like thomas jefferson or george washington who was referenced earlier in this segment. these white nationalist ideas are a part of what we've been. that's their powerful fuel and furthering their actions. >> you have spent time with how people got out. are these all young white men that get recruited here? it feels like there is a group that seems susceptible. >> for sure. and it's not different than group that's susceptible, frankly, for isis or other terrorist and extremist groups. these are mostly white disaffected young men who are

say they sort of learned not to protest and certainly we can sort of say, chris cantwell and richard spencer, they all seem to have run aground and in fact as you point out, turn against each other. but there's a way in which the internet still allows this movement to burgeon and flourish. i think -- i absolutely stipulate you're right and i think that tim hey cede did that massive study on what went wrong and how the police need to do things different so we learn something and i think we stipulate that we learned a lot, which is why it was a one-off. but i think at the same time we can't not reckon with the fact that el paso just happened, and the gilroy garlic festival before that and the tree of life before that. so, i feel like there are two things going on. we're talking about quelling and quashing some of the worst alt-right figures but definitely feels as though the movement has again from protests and marchs to something more insidious. no? >> guest: good point. and what is the common dough nominator there? i would go back to donald trump. and he is culpable. he let america down that