right now richard stallman you're known for developing and promoting free software and you approach softwareas somebody approaching a box of crayons it's a toolset that anyone should have access to to create any manner of things on the web and the impediment to this has been copyright copyright actually i don't agree but first of all it's not just a matter of creating something it's a matter of having control over the software you use if you use something to do a practical job if people use a work to do a practical job those people deserve to have control over the work they are using and that includes software because software is a work that's made for doing practical jobs with so free software is the software that's controlled by its users and in order for the users to have that control they need the four essential freedoms freedom zero is the freedom to run the program however you wish freedom one is the freedom to study the source code and change it so the program does your computing the way you wish these two freedoms give each individual control one user at a time but that's not enough

welcome back to the cons a report time out of turn to software freedom activist and hacker richard stallmanpresident of the free software foundation richard is in town because he spoke at the bitcoin twenty twelve conference we're happy to have won the kaiser report richard welcome to the kaiser report thanks but since you've introduced me as a hacker i better explain what that really means best my first question richard stallman what is a hacker hacking means playful cleverness and a hacker is somebody who does hacking or appreciates hacking so if you like being playfully clever or if you enjoy seeing other people be playfully clever then you're a hacker now this doesn't have to be done with computers you could do hacking in lots of media for instance when i see photos of lady gaga as costumes i'm convinced that she is a hacker at least in the area of clothing. right so you know the old days when hewlett and packard were in their garage i think things to call it tinkering is a kind of the same thing well sure if you're being playfully clever in designing circuits or writing software then y