of tyranny to discuss that i'm knowledge joined by famous technologist and philosopher richard stallman dr spellman thank you very much for your time i know that you've been a very vocal advocate of freedom for many many years and you define freedom as having control and know having control of your own life exactly and i think that whenever we speak about the use of software or even about governance having control presupposes some sort of knowledge some sort of expertise and my question to you whether that makes a privilege something that you have to actually work for something that you have to earn and deserve rather than you know you know i disagree totally first of all we need to distinguish freedom from power freedom is having control of your own life but when but power is when one person has control over another person's life and freedom it's certainly not a privilege everyone's entitled to freedom. to the extent it is at all possible you just said everyone is entitled to freedom but my question to you is whether everyone can really use freedom of course you know even if you don't know all the