you know. --. >> brown: richard veder, you can come back in this. the-- go ahead. >> an interesting point was raised there. there is another dimension that hasn't been mentioned, and that is 40%, 45% of the students who entered traditional four-year university or college education don't graduate. and i don't mean in four years. i mean in six years. so there's an enormous amount of risk being taken by a lot of students, and a lot of those risks relate to the fact that colleges and universities are often admitting students who they full well know have a limited probability of success but they take them in anyway. this is not the weslayan's of the world. that's a high-quality yrvth elite, private school. but many schools have very high cropp out rates and that's another dimension of this that hasn't been picked up in all this talk about truth and beauty and having people learn about egyptian civilization-- i'm all for people learning about egyptian civil zane. four out of five students who enter college don't make it through. >> brown: in the brief tim