congressman richardson preyer, do you remember the name? pryor was elected in 1968.deral judge, very good man. ran against bill osteen who later became u.s. attorney. and then ultimately was appointed to the bench. now i forgot where i was going with this. >> why you got congress, how you got congress? >> back to mr. mcnary, the old lawyer. he encouraged me to run for congress, as well. the revolving door started with the election of richardson pryor in his race with bill osteen. in 1972, upset of the year, gene johnson defeated richardson pryor in a solid democrat district. it would probably have been classified as the number one upset in the country. one-term congressman, gene was. he was defeated -- i'm sorry, the 1970's, the first one. then 1972, he was defeated by a rookie, good guy, robin brett. and i ran against robin in 1974 -- 1984. so that's -- that was the track. >> how long -- you've been on the judiciary committee quite a while, too, all 30 years? >> all 30 years. >> why never the chairmanship of that committee? >> well, i told somebody, i told ed mcdona