richness. so it's even. >> we want balance. we want balance. >> stephen: do you think america cares about the poor. >> we care. and we know we're not alone. there are americans of all colors around this nation who do care. we want a democrat ache wakening around poverty. (cheers and applause) >> four years ago when we exercised this process to elect a new president, we had three presidential debates between mccain and obama. the word poor or poverty didn't come up one time four years ago. mccain didn't raise t obama didn't raise t the moderators didn't ask about it. you cannot abide another campaign for the white house where the issue of poverty doesn't get placed on the american agenda and that is why the book is out now. >> stephen: without do you think this book is for. because poor people don't have the money to buy it. (laughter) are you really trying to sell this to rich people? this is a, hold on one second this is a $12. >> not too much. >> stephen: $12 guilt trip, my brother. >> no, no

rich--no, no, what are the facts?re giving you the facts here and we're giving it to overarched over. it's a giant tax break for the rich. do you remember the shock and outrage over the comments oh, she's just taking care of staying at home and taking care of her son. >> it was an early birthday present for someone to be critical of me as a mother and it was a defining movement and i loved it. i thought you were crying all weekend. oh, i was just kidding. they bought it. it was a birthday present to me. that's the reality. that's not what they tell you. that's what they tell their rich friends. let's bring in michael hastings. great to have you here. >> thanks for having me, man. >> talk about the reaction of the obama campaign. i know you're covering them for buzz feed in terms of this whole end romney fiasco. >> well, with ann romney, the campaign is maintaining the line that spouses are off limits. they're trying to distance themselves from the comments of hillary rosen. but the obama campaign has something to hang

they'll do anything to protect the rich. here is texas senator blocking and tackling for the rich.ase don't hurt him. >> this buffet rule will eliminate capital gains tax treatment for people who pay income taxes on an individual tax return including a lot of businesses will discourage investment at a time when we neat the private sector to invest more, create more jobs and bring unemployment down. why do over half of the households pay zero income tax? >> did you hear what he said don't attack the rich and then he turned around and said 46% don't pay federal taxes. they pay a huge portion of their income in sales tax and payroll tax but he made it seem like they don't pay any tax. in other words he is saying, raise taxes on the poor and middle class but don't touch our rich buddies who fund our entire campaign. this is what the republican party does. unfortunately they get help from the democratic party when protecting the bankers. president obama promises something different. he said tax payers would not be well-served by a financial system that compromise just a few massive firm

and that is penalizing the rich in this country. period. >> ben stein? >> well, at least it's a start. i mean, something has to be done. why not start with that $47 billion? $47 billion is, i agree, not a lot in the context of federal spending but it's a start. we'll have to raise taxes even more. we're going to have to cut spending a la -- >> extend their hand. >> it's easier for us to raise taxes on the rich than certainly cut any of them? >> they're going to do anything. we are heading towards national default. that is a very unfortunate place to wind up and it's a place you don't want to be in. you'll have to raise taxes on the rich much more than that and raise taxes on the middle class. >> hold up, charlie. >> it's going to be drastic. >> go ahead, adam. >> where i think -- where i think we're on completely the wrong track here is to suggest that the administration is not interested in the deficit and is not interested in the debt because that's what -- that's how charles framed this. they are -- >> adam, add many, just to be fair here, just checki

tavis: another lie that i feel is that the rich pay more. the debate between rich versus poor. there is some truth in that. obviously, the more money you make, the more you should pay in taxes, and then there are two things that mitigates against that. the rich find these loopholes and these offshore accounts. how is it that two years ago i pay more taxes than g.e.? i am a talk-show host on public television and public radio, and i pay more taxes than general electric because they knew all the shenanigans and where all of the holes were and how to maneuver and how to strata tries to not pay a cent in taxes in a full calendar year, g.e., and they are not the only corporation that does that, so the rich do not always pay more, and more broadly speaking, it costs money to be poor. a lot of money to be poor, because of where we are supposed to live, the opportunities that are denied us, the markups on the things we have to have. the rich do not pay anything what we pay. the rich do not always pay more. >> somehow, there is a plate -- a fair playing field, and it is really just a ma

what are the rich paying? the rich pay higher taxes in some cases than the middle class.n you look at the effective tax rates we can put up the numbers for you and you can see it is the middle class pays in many cases a lower tax rate than the very wealthiest. here we have mitt romney, in 2010 i think it was 13.9%. the middle class 12.8%. >> right. >> you have the top 1%. they pay 27%. and the top 0.1% pay 30%. this is the irving brookings tax policy numbers for 2010. what does that mean? >> it means that almost invariably the rich pay more in taxes than the middle class. >> the tax rate and in dollars? >> yes. the average effective tax rate of a wealthy person, the millionaires in this country is 19%. they pay about 19% of their income into income taxes. your average middle class person pays something like 13% of their income into income tax. but the thing people don't understand is they don't understand the effects of marginal tax rates and effective taxes paid. in other words, because you hear the rich guys' top tax rate is 35% that doesn't mean he is paying 35%. becau

>>neil: would you tell the rich who are happy, if the rich are happy to pay more taxes if it goes to get spending under control you telling me that will not change, you are just going to pay for more government? >>guest: no, i don't say that is what we do. i say we also go with the progressive caucus budget which bringing our troops home from afghanistan saving over $1 trillion over the next ten years. topping our investment -- stopping investment in nuclear --. >>neil: got you, got you, congresswoman. all right. all right. all right. we will have more. >>neil: rick santorum out and stocks down and out on a day that romney is loop for both of the above saying this is a combination he would like to say. of course that is not what he would say. and now, on phone, my guest, bob, what do you make of the developments and for rick santorum? >>guest: very surprising to me. had he called me to ask my opinion, as you know i would have told him, stay in the race. we just reached half point mark of game and let romney amass the delegates he needs and that is the team to get out but i am not the

. >> the romney plan, help the rich, cut the poor? let's play "hardball." >> good evening, can mitt romney make the case that wealthy people like him should pay lower taxes than the middle class? the obama campaign is doing that. the bufl rule that billion airs should not pay a lower rate than their secretary social security a winning issue. republicans are hoping that americans hate taxes so much they'll oppose raising them even on the warren buffets of the world. we have another example of other republicans look when asked to endorse romney. how do you nominate a guy so few in your party want to even endorse at this point? plus the religious right wants to see president obama defeated but they have little use for romney himself, and the great lesleystahl joins us to talk about mike wals. and how chush church and state doesn't deny the role of faith based morality and social justice and peace in this world. we begin with mark halperin, and john hileman, he is a correspondent, and a political analyst. how did you get the title senior,

seeing where we can see very few people get super rich and the majority is marginalised you were talking about denmark earlier i'm from sweden originally and i have a sad to report that even in the scandinavian governments this pressure from this empire so i think we need to see it this global empire of corporations and banks are pushing governments there too in the wrong direction the good news about this is that we actually do have a good lot of majority of people who would really have a lot to gain by insisting on shifting the economic paradigm one of the things we're seeing is that in order for there to happen we can't rely on economists we need to rely on people on writers anthropologist farmers all of us really thinking what's really important to us. thank you so much for being with us alone. thank you more than forty years ago robert kennedy explain to americans the flaw in our using numbers like g.n.p. and g.d.p. gross national product to determine the success or failure of a nation here are his brilliant words in their entirety. most national product now eight hundred billion do

if you played by the rules you could get rich. the republicans are arguing that the deck is stacked against you, and they're playing to the notion that we need to make the system more fair so that you still have a chance to get rish, but the problem that republicans confront is most people don't think that working hard and playing by the rules necessarily gets you to be rich. so there is a notion that aspiration will not get paid off the way it has in the past. >> let's go to paul ryan's budget plan that has been accused of making deep tax cuts. according to the center for budget and policy, ryan's budget includes cuts to medicaid and other health pell grants. for poor and working kids that want to go to college. also cuts for the digressionary programs. lets me go back to that same question. it is ironic if you think the way to goose a rich person is to give him a tax cut, and the way to boost a working person is to take away what they already are limited in terms of health care. so you don't get an operation you need, the kid do

the thing is, rich people are -- do you know any rich people? they are great. they eat the best food. they have great parties and great taste in everything. >> and they buy cars, boats and houses. >> he is talking more about hanging around. >> i don't want to hang around a poor people. i like rich people. >> that is such an honest thing to say. >> should warren buffet give us all his money and pay down the debt? you probably could because of all it is worth. i was also outraged by the reagan comparison, especially after finding out he raised taxes four times between 1982 and 1984. i think specifically -- >> why did he raise it though? >> because we were in a recession. >> who is in congress at the time? he didn't have -- >> that is like blaming bush. >> the one that i think they were definitely not comparing it to was the tax equity and fiscal responsibility act of 1982. it was the rnlg laest tax increase as a percentage of the economy in modern american history how dare regan be regan instead of the regan we talk about. >> he simplified the tax code and he cut

as i said before, there's nothing wrong with being rich. kennedy was rich, roosevelt was rich.y doesn't get it and doesn't care. >> sin thcynthia, when you look favorable over unfavorable, 47% unfavorable 35% favorable. first time for presumtive nominee since 1984 have we seen unfavorable ratings this highç over favorable rating. how can he turn this around? >> well, let's remember why this is important, reverend. voters don't just choose who is going to be president of the united states based on policies alone. policy certainly matter. but we are a lot more emotional in our decision making than weed like to believe. people choose based on person al as well pz whether or not we like the guy matters when we go into the voting booth it make a choice. can mitt romney turn this around? not without a personality transplant. the problem for him is this is who he really is. he is robotic. he is out of touch. a man who understood better what average people are facing would never have started this project to expand this huge mansion as he is running for president. he doesn't get it. an

where basically there is no unemployment so there isn't a competition for scarce jobs a gap between rich and poor is relatively small there is one but the very richest and the various poorest see each other and can talk to each other so it's a lot to do with the scale of the economy a lot of it has to do with both financial and and and psychological security and i still say financial as its legal nomic because a lot of the gluten is our farmers so they're more dependent on a direct relationship to the natural world they're not so indebted to banks as we are so the united states is by far the wealthiest nation on the planet but not the happiest so is there any correlation between wealth and having. no i mean there are certain statistics that will show obviously if you are in an impoverished situation you know in the slums of calcutta or slums of new york for that matter that material well being is important but on a national level i don't think we see any correlation but there is obviously a need for having the certain basic needs met and once those are satisfied it's very clear that a se

they could get thirty times their employee rich but they couldn't get romney rich fabulously rich and because it wasn't easy to get a lot of money there wasn't a lot of gambling with that money and stabilize the markets ok and i think that we should roll back the reagan tax cuts that's still not going to solve it this is just a huge massive problem if you listen you can talk about ways of doing entitlement reform that aren't in the ryan budget we need to get out of there and we will have the new america foundation you know people on the left talking about you know technological innovations a way to stimulate that for government but to say that you're going to actually agree there what is relevant aggressive budget i mean they they laid out you know corporations back when reagan came into office corporations are paying thirty five percent of the cost of running our government it's now eleven percent ok what's wrong with that what's wrong with that's too much government spending. government spending right now as a percentage of g.d.p. is lower than it's been sixty two years and it needs

the mantra is soak the rich.s, as you said, the hypocrisy, when they see him jet-setting around the country. he's paying all this money, taking a deduction and spending time with rich people. it doesn't look good. you know, julia louis dreyfus cannot identify with us. >> can i tell you the bottom line is that many, many, many more rich people vote republicans than democrat. >> but at least they get paid for doing it. >> yes. but they're -- >> gregg said rich people. >> rich people vote for policies that help people make money. the less rich vote for policies that don't help other people. >> we should have kept the dog vacuuming video. i fought for that. i'm trying that when i get home and i don't have a dog. eric boling and sarah palin have a special on fox tonight to talk about solutions to our energy problems. eric will give us a special preview. if you leave now, i'm sure he's not going to show you what's in the special, special envelope. ♪ [ music ] >> as you know the obama energy department has been as succe

not just the rich.he only way to get to the $3.4 trillion is to make major changes in the tax code. romney is not prepared to do it. nobody is prepared to do it. the other interesting thing is the tax debate is in the zone, do you tax the rich more or not? nobody is talking raising taxes on the rest of americans? we are not going to close the deficit without that. >> no, we are not. this old saying -- yeah. don't tax you, don't tax me, tax that guy behind the tree. tax somebody else. it's not that simple. if we are going to balance the budget and pay down the debt through tax increases, we have to get rid of the bush tax cuts for everybody as well as push unpopular entitlements. >> willie's news you can't use is next. are you still sleeping? just wanted to check and make sure that we were on schedule. the first technology of its kind... mom and dad, i have great news. is now providing answers families need. siemens. answers. strong. confident. i lost 64 lbs. believe. weight watchers points plus gave me

these people are rich. way millionaires would get another $250,000 while people working everyday making $40,000 would have to pay more in their taxes. this isn't about so-called rich, this is about the wealthiest americans getting huge tax breaks over the last decades. not create jobs but losing jobs and tanking the economy. it time to restore what president said which is fairness in our tax system. >> bob, you're a political guru and have run many campaigns. paul ryan, the money show's today stoking the speculation he may be out for vp bid. but on the way, he slammed inequality. listen. >> we've gotten kind of used to this sort of verbal tantrums from the president. to me it is more pet u lens than presidential. i think some people think the buffet rule is pixy dust. if we do this, it will help our problems. it is a huge problem on tax creator. >> bob, is that smart politically? and given the way -- when you look at the washington post poll, americans think unfairness is a bigger issue than overregulation.

should the rich pay more? should everybody pay the amount? what's your thought. >> first of all, i don't think it's that subjective of an interpretation. what is fair is this -- when you have the poll that shows how many people think the tax code benefits the risk, this statistics fly in the face of that. one thing the tax code does it's so riddled with exceptions and exemptions, it becomes like swiss cheese. who does that benefit? we want to say the rich but really benefits those are connected. those with lobbyists, tax accountants and lawyers. that's where you can make a more fair tax code by simplifying it by making it something that so many of us understand. my complaint is, your reference to buffett rule and president obama that doesn't solve any problems, just makes it more complex for some arbitrary definition of fairness that i think is based on some semblance of envy for playing to the cheap seats. saying we'll get this solved. we'll play to the rich guys. >> let's ask this, one of the reasons the president picked that million dollar

just because he's rich. a lot of other folks are rich now as well.

so oftentimes those are rich people -- and intelligence. >> and lots of rich people had imagination to sinking ship. >> i'm poor, i don't know where you get that but i do want to ask bill and michael made reference the study of 72% were saved in the titanic because what was revealed in the study. the fact that history of the case is that the people on board the cast or crew, had a gun and was forcing women to be able. >> i want to address something you just said. cast and crew, because if you saw the movie. cast, and crew when the ship went down. everybody went down together. >> your honor, i would like witness to answer the question, your honor. >> move on, paul. >> why can't you let me have my moment? >> move on to a different question. >> can i apologize to you right now, i turned down -- [ laughter ] >> it's an honor to your country. >> we're going move on to wade story. here is the series of questions that no one can answer. now, i disagree with most of you. i agree with andy, i hate to say that th i think you go for an honor, getting a gold medal, just ask charles barkley's booki

the rich dark chocolate.ppermint pattie get the sensation. ♪ >> all right, welcome back to the "the young turks." we've been telling you about climate change all week. we talked to about the science and how they're trying to take the science away from the classrooms. now we're going to talk whether it's a national security threat. the medill school of journalism did a piece. we'll show it here. >> it doesn't matter if it's a manmade threat or a natural threat. it could an cyclical threat. they're saying it doesn't matter. what matters is we have to respond to it. >> now some of the top commanders in the military are also concerned. i want to show you one of them. >> climate change will affect resource competition. it will attack where we can get fresh water, how we get our food, what energy we consume sea level will affect migration and demographics, and potentially how those interrelationships play out will determine the security of the 21st century. >> well, now that the c.i.a. is even so concerned that in

the rich and the rest of us.u made that title to annoy me but i think this is a conversation worth having. i don't want a single american in poverty. >> there will be a number of conservative who is have compassion-- >>> i am compassionate. i want -- i want to solve the problem. but get government out of the way. >> so woo do we. we want compassion and justice. >> sean: dinner's on me. come in the studio. we will solve the problem, right here. [chuckles] >> we will take you up to that. >> sean: you got t. thank you both. coming up, dnc chairwoman debbie wasserman-schultz can't get her facts straight on anything. we expose the latest example of misinformation she is trying to sell to the american people. and michelle malcolm is here and michelle malcolm is here with reaction, coming [ male announcer ] imagine facing the day with less chronic osteoarthritis pain. imagine living your life with less chronic low back pain. imagine you, with less pain. cymbalta can help. cymbalta is fda-approved to manage chronic muscu

will, the rich contribute an awful lot of popcorn. a cnn poll finds seven in ten americans believe the tax system benefits the rich and is unfair to ordinary workers. that certainly seems to be behind president obama's push to raise tacks on millionaires through this buffett rule. you say that has more to do with envy and less to do with sensible tax policy. >> i do say that. i say that for different reasons. the top income earners in the country, the last bowl, the bowl of the richest among us and some of the bowl next to it pay about 36% of total income taxes while the top 10%, which would be the last bowl, the richest bowl and most of the next bowl pay 70% of total income taxes. what is fair, ali? for them to pay 100%? this definition of fairness gets hard to define. >> let's talk about it for a second. there's a real discussion, should we be talking about the tax code as being fair or efficient. what's your sense of if we're all agreeing we don't love this tax code, what should it represent? should the rich pay more? should everyb

and dave ramsey with helpful tips to retire rich and old and wrinkled but rich.guest: what are you saying? >>neil: i have no idea. i didn't know it was so expensive to get this old. >>guest: well it is interesting that the imf thinks it is expensive for the government, for me to get old. >>neil: bingo. exactly right. >>guest: it is getting expensive but there are things you can do and the standard things we have talked about for building wealth which is cut your life time. you get yourself out of debt so you can invest. in our case we use the roth i.r.a. or 401(k) and those things and, so, you clean up your mess so that you can use your most powerful wealth building tool. if you do not give it out in debt payments you can build wealth and be able to win and go ahead with that. and, of course, you invest and look at stuff like good growth stock mutual fund. i opened a mutual fund with 11.9 percent average for the last 78 years. that is encouraging. >>neil: what were you invested in? >>guest: a great old growth stock mutual fund, old fashioned. >>neil: not like dav

you take it away and give it to the rich and hope that they do the best.hat is not a good plan. >> when you talk about it. let's get to the bottom line. when you talk about it, you take the ryan budget. ryan should get credit. he's the only one in the last 30 years who has attempted to do this. what you want to do is solve social security and medicare like a lot of liberals. you want to solve it on the backs of the top two percent. there is no social justice in that. the upper class does not want these programs. you might agree that it's fair nonetheless, to foist these programs. social security and medicare, i believe they should exist. i think it's fair as a conservative to foist the programs on the top 2%. but if you go back to these people year after year and year say not only must you accept the existence of these programs but fund and make up shortfalls and maintain these programs that you don't even want such here's where you're heading. this is where you as a liberal have to think about. let's assume that we do everything that you and the president

if you tax the rich you are dividing the country, et cetera. that's also, you know, of course a way that mitt romney continues to get on -- out spend rick santorum by 4 to 1 because he has the rich people and wall street guys giving him the money so we are quote/unquote not divided. okay? now, let me bring in a vital -- i think it's now totally and utterly over. mike, talk first. >> it's easy to say but i am going to disagree with you a little bit only because of what may looks like. >> will you ever agree with me? >> i agree with you constantly, you know. it's like you and the president. you guys agree more than you realize you do. >> okay. >> but, you know, indiana, west village, nebraska oregon alaska arkansas and kentucky states where rick santorum, old rick santorum old like 2 weeks ago santor asme could have done quite well. those lie ahead. what romney needs to kind of change the dialogue here is to pull an upset. he hasn't really pulled an upset. i think that would help him long-term. it hasn't happened. rick santorum going to be the ne