and now to talk to us about populous conservativism, please welcome senator rick antorum. [applause] >> thank you. i appreciate it. thank you. i appreciate it very, very much. it's great to be back here at c-span. i just want to point out -- i have two of my boys here from the citadel and i see some citadel guys. hey, citadel guys stand up. i want to give you a round of applause. thank you so much. good job. great to be here with you. [applause] i listened to ben sasse. i agree with ben. i'm a conservative. but what i would say there are a lot of conservatives today all across this country who are scared. they're scared about what's going on right now. they're nervous about what's happening in this presidential race. they're seeing the conservative movement, the republican party potentially been torn up. they're nervous as all heck as to what they're going to do. well, now you know how the american public has been feeling ver the past 10, 20, 30 years. they're nervous about their country. they are nervous about their jobs, their families, their communities. they're nervous

but how will they jump over john or mike huckabee, rick ,antorum, ted cruz, ben carson any as he otherandidates we've had running for candidate to get the donald trump? host: senator ted cruz has been in washington for a couple of years. could those people, the voters that are calling in see what you wrote about in your book? power and money drive washington. they feel like donald trump could come and shake those two things up. that is the, perception people have and i understand that. ims frustrated with washington -- i am as frustrated with washington. i had a guy tell me once you guys don't rethinking washington is a cesspool. after about six months you think it's a jacuzzi. [laughter] is i am saying when you talk about somebody that has gained the since the that agmed -- gamed the system, donald trump has done it as well as anybody. playing republicans and democrats. it has come out in the last two weeks about how he hired illegal immigrants on his construction jobs. ted cruz had not created jobs. ted's position has been to create the right environment to create jobs. that is just