rick perry is a racist. >> well, you know, that's not really the bar or the standard i want to ask you to talk about for a second. people, lloyd benson when he ran for president on the democratic ticket had to quit the gentile country club he was in that didn't have any jewish members. we have a standard that's somewhat higher than not being an out and out klansman. the question here, would he join a club that had the "n" word as part of its novel, old-time memories as part of it or whatever. would he put up with that? that's the question here. would he put up with the old crap? >> and my sense is, knowing rick perry, he probably would not. but having grown up here and not knowing what the proper name for slingshot was until i was 4 or 5 years old and the sort of maligned neglect of the old south, where a generation and another generation before that used offensive words and didn't think a thing about it, this is the kind of thing that exists here. we know it. but is rick perry that kind of person? i've never seen it in this case. >> good, fair reporting. let me go to michael -- >> one last thing, though. one last thing. the question