vice presidential debate and we would like to stick with our signature panel for their analysis, rick davis impressions? did somebody win? >> i do not know that there were winners and losers. they both met the needs, this was really about reinforcing the standards the candidates are running at the top of the ticket. jd vance did a good job, disciplined to job, of returning repeatedly to immigration, the soft underbelly of the biden administration, and criticizing almost on every issue some form of immigration impact, whether it was on housing where the economy or national security. so he came with a plan and executed the plan. tim walz was tim walz. he got put on the ticket because he was everybody's grandpa and the football coach showed up tonight and this is clearly what the harris campaign wants to present. it was unpolished, rough around the edges sometimes, but i would say delivered a lot of good hits against donald trump, which was his job, in a very compelling final argument on democracy in the 2020 election at the end of the debate. so is anybody going to stop the momentum the harri