my understanding is rick dearborne's job was -- wasn't he the staff secretary?e would have seen literally every piece of paper that went in front of the president. >> right. >> if there is ever the kind of job around which you'd invoke executive privilege, it would be someone with rick dearborne's job. i have a quote from adam schiff, as tom said, executive branch official claimed no privilege. quote, executive branch official we had today answered every question we asked and there was no claim of privilege, no claim these periods were off limits and no effort to hide behind a later invocation of privilege by the executive. >>> the distinction is steve bannon said all the things you just said he said in "fire and fury" and steve bannon was around on a campaign that's being investigated for potential collusion with russia. >> yeah. >> what are the other variables i'm missing? >> it's also the form of the communications happening. look, i'm not a constitutional scholar on privilege -- >> you're not? you're fired. >> i wish we had an hour on privilege. executive pr

they did not assert executive privilege for rick dearborn.sanders's statements seem disingenuous. >> you have to imagine that some of the trump lawyers were horrified by this. they have a client who is under investigation for obstruction of justice, they would not want him near this kind of maneuvering and trying to control what someone says in a committee hearing. >> this is another thing for bob mueller to look at, frankly. he's building a case of obstruction of justice against the president, and what we've seen from the public behavior and his twitter account, he basically incriminated himself when he said he fired michael flynn because he spoke to the fib. this is getting trump in bigger trouble than he needs to be in. >>> the reports specify that trump talked to the deputy white house council not the white house counsel, because don mcgahn is a client of the same lawyer that represents steve bannon. so we imagine steve bannon on the phone with his other client at the white house. apparently that's not how it works. >> it is complicated w

among the others, cory lewandowski, and deputy chief of staff rick dearborn who testifies today. >>> emotions running high on capitol hill as lawmakers grilled dhs secretary kirstjen nielsen about president trump's vulgar description of haiti in africa. kirstjen nielsen insisting she did not hear the president say "s-hold" or "s house" in the meeting. she says a lot of lawmakers use vulgators, the lawmakers were -- vulgarritys, the lawmakers were using vulgarities. >> when bigotry is allied with power, it is a dangerous force in our country. your silence and your amnesia is complicity. i hurt. when dick durbin called me, i had tears of rage when i heard about this experience in that meeting. for you not to feel that hurt and that pain, and to dismiss some of the questions of any colleagues saying "i've already answered that line of questions" when tens of millions of americans are hurting now because of what they're worried about what happened in the white house, that's unacceptable to me. >> indeed a flair for the dramatic. lindsey graham blaming white house staff for the president'

there coming before the handle, cory lewandowski, hope hicks, and deputy chief of staff rick dearbornestifies today. >>> cnn politics digital director zach wolf. >> good morning to you. >> welcome back. >> we'll get to steve bannon, but let's start with the government shutdown. once again if they can't get a continuing resolution. pretty smart for republicans to put the c.h.i.p. in there to fund it long term. here is the deal presented by republicans much we headed for a shutdown, zook? >> well, no. ultimately, i think they'll probably find a way to fund the government. it won't be a long-term spending bill most likely that nobody's talking about that. it doesn't seem likely that it's going to address the issue of the so-called d.r.e.a.m.ers, the daca recipients, brought here illegally as children. it's not going to do a lot of things that democrats had wanted it to do. >> sure. >> but you do start to see a path forward, i think, emerge in the -- on the house side. the question is, are democrats, they have to have democrats on the senate side, going to vote for it. there are a lot of

committee, the first man to run the donald trump for president campaign, corey lewandowski and rick dearborn both testified on the russia scandal, and like steve bannon yesterday, corey lewandowski, reportedly refused to answer some of the committee's questions today. that's part of how we know that something really important and something really different is going on when it comes to steve bannon and the mueller investigation and the russia scandal overall. yesterday, the big news we were trying to sort out last night is the fact that steve bannon went into that house intelligence committee, refused to answer questions and was hit with a subpoena to try to compel him to answer their questions. that's an unusual occurrence, and part of the reason we know how unusual that is is because corey lewandowski walked into that same committee. he also apparently refused to answer their questions, but they didn't subpoena him. the way they subpoenaed steve bannon. there wasn't word that the committee demanded to have him back in to ask him the questions in a harsher tone. like previous officials who h

we didn't see that today with rick dearborn, where he did answer questions. sources tell me that the answers weren't terribly substantive, so maybe that was the reason why he was okay answering those questions. we're still trying to figure out where the parameters are of this. it's a big battle right now between the house intel and the white house. >> barbara, you're the lawyer here. everybody's tossing around executive privilege. who has the right to do that? and is that any shield for steve bannon to avoid questions in a house intel committee hearing? >> well, it's really interesting because there is not a lot of case law on executive privilege. you know, it comes about only under extraordinary circumstances. it doesn't get tested a lot. so no one really knows exactly what the boundaries are. but traditionally the president needs to proactively assert it if he wants to shield someone from testifying about some matter. and it's very narrow. it's about deliberative processes. not everything that happened in the white house, or in the transition. and so i thin

do you think you will get any more today out of rick dearborn or corey lewandowsky, who will be appearing>> as you might imagine we have other witnesses that are or were at the white house that were in the transition is. if the claim of privilege is used with those witnesses too, i will tell you we will come to a grinding health. the thing that is puzzling, the president said there is absolutely no wrongdoing here and yet is instructing all of these people not to be forth coming or be forth coming with the investigative committee. this is really going to slow the whole process. >> let's move on to some of those things. do you think the government will shut down on friday? >> i feel like i'm seeing the same movie for the 20th time. the dance steps are so predictable. yesterday the republicans who run this place say they have a deal that will allow the government to remain open for some period of time, three weeks. and the freedom caucus says, guess what, you don't have the votes. what it points to is something that i would embrace and a lot of people would embrace. for god's sake, let's st

rick dearborn appeared before the panel and said he had no restrictions.awmakers described him as cooperative. former trump campaign manager corey lewandowski, also interviewed yesterday, he would not talk about the campaign or conversations he had with the president. he claimed he was not prepared and would come back, which is strange because the day before, he said he was going and ready to answer anything and everything. this morning, another intelligence committee member threatened more subpoenas could be on the horizon. >> looks like they're selectively choosing who can tell us what in an effort to protect the president. we have additional executive branch witnesses coming in. if they're going to decide what they can tell us and what they won't, we should have the will to subpoena him. otherwise, we'll have an incomplete investigation. >> joining us now is a senior fellow at brookings and legal analyst. after a former friend -- current friend of james comey. good to see you. thank you for being with us, benjamin. >> happy to be here. >> does it appear

tomorrow rick dearborn, former deputy white house chief of staff and campaign official, transition official, he's going to bear also corey lewandowski. on friday we are going to have hope hicks, white house mitigation structure. >> shannon: how much does this have to do, as you have a witness sitting there to do with congress trying to reassert control over these investigations and forcing witness to comply with them when they've got questions of their own. >> that has a lot to do with it because congress takes its first article one response abilities in the constitution very seriously. that's what was so dramatic today. you have a very controversial, almost polarizing witness like steve bannon, coming up. you have democrats are certainly burned on his side. you may have had republicans who may have sided with him at one point and don't forget that a lot of people thought he single-handedly help them lose the alabama senate race. roy moore versus doug jones doug jones. mitch mcconnell. much said as much a couple weeks ago. steve bannon does not have a lot of allies on capitol hill, so this

the white house deputy chief of staff rick dearborn, he appeared before your committee. he answered all of the committee's questions. so the white house won't let bannon and former campaign manager docorwin lewandowski do the same thing dick durbin did? >> they have more terrible things to say about what took place. the white house is is more concerned about what certain people have to say. so obviously they know him from more information that would be damaging to the white house's case. what's frustrating here, and we just pointed it out, there were other witnesses who have refused to answer critical questions, right? mr. sessions, trump jr., eric prince, all questions essential to know what exactly took place. the majority was unwilling to snap up that subpoena like they did with mr. bannon. as i said yesterday, apparently only steve bannon can unite that committee. >> what about corwin lewandowski, the former trump campaign manager? he refused to answer your questions as well, and yet you did not issue a subpoena to him. why? >> the only answer they gave back was the

senior white house aide rick dearborne set to testify this hour and corey liewandowski wil appear before panel and hicks could get the call on friday. shimon, what else do we know about steve bannon coming back before the intel committee for a second time? >> reporter: right, brian tha b, that's supposed to happen tomorrow, that he is expected to appear before them tomorrow. as to whether or not anything will change in terms of the questions they specifically have for him, relating to the transition and to the time he was at the white house, it's unclear if he's going to answer any of those questions. it's really not up to him. he claims it's up to the white house. he's claiming that they essentially gagged him and told him he could not speak about that time period. more importantly though, i think is the special counsel his appearance before the special counsel, when that will happen. that's going to be a significant time period. he will not be able to claim executive privilege in that case when he appears before the special counsel because if he does get into a place where he starts re

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because the "new york times" reported an email that was sent to jeff sessions and a key advisor rick dearbornt said that trump would attempt to use the annual convention to make first contact. let's be very clear, if a foreign government or espionage operation did weaponize the nra to funnel money to the trump campaign, that is not just a scandal in that it sounds terrib terrible, that is a federal felony. that's what's under investigation, not proven. the connecting of the dots on the money trail, that's been happening reportedly by mueller and now with reporters tracing hi his tracks. i'm joined by one of those reporters. peter stone broke this story and has the story everyone's talking about. peter, why is this important and does it look to you like it is in scandal territory or there are potential federal crimes here? >> well, it's definitely an important story because part of mueller's mission from the beginning has been looking at how there might have been russian moneys funneled into the u.s. this predated mueller's efforts, in fact, the fbi was looking at it prior to his coming in. an

democrats point out that there was another interview yesterday with rick dearborn who's the deputy chieff staff at the white house and there was no attempt by the white house or even his own counsel to refuse to answer the same kind of questions that steve bannon was. the question now, with hope hick, who's obviously a very key player in the congressional investigation. also with special counsel mueller's investigation, would she attempt to reserve the right to invoke executive privilege on behalf of the president to refuse the same testimony. democrats are going to be very interested to see whether that takes place. there seems to be one standard with steve bannon that the white house is applying. >> i want to play something that eric swalwell said this morning. member of the house intel committee. here it is. >> he was told he couldn't talk, which is unawful for the white house. i saw steve bannon's attorney step out multiple times to talk to the white house and report back to us that the white house was telling mr. bannon he could not talk about the transition, he could not even talk

you were in the room yesterday and today for bannon and lewandowski and rick dearborn testimony. >> yesterdayhas been reported since mr. bannon was evidently ganged by the white house under pretense of executive order, and today we had a witness refusing to answer questions. it begs the question, don, what do they have to hide? what are they afraid of? >> do they just refuse or are they just saying executive privilege or pleading the fifth? what's going on? >> though, they're not pleading the fifth. that's a constitutional basis from a legal theory. it was executive privilege, which is dubious at best because it's the president who must assert executive privilege. and he must stipulate certain issue areas or events when he does so. today it was and believe it or not, don, you're hearing this correctly. i'm not prepared. >> that's interesting. and what about your republican colleagues? how are they taking this? are they frustrated or are they okay with this? >> well, yesterday democrats and republicans joined together, as you may have heard, to on the spot issue a subpoena in an intent to comp

cory lewandowski and rick dearborn are meeting with the house intel committee as well. let's debrief. joining me julia ainsley, also ken delanee lalanedelaney, andg. julia, you filed this report that talked about the fbi knocking on bannon's door to issue him a subpoena. lots of controversy from yesterday when he wouldn't answer questions in front of house intel. what struck you in that briefing just now? >> so i think it is the idea of where they are trying to draw the lines on executive privilege. and sarah sanders didn't want to get in to the details like a lot of reporters, including us and nbc would like her to. what we want to know here is how steve bannon could assert executive privilege thinking that the white house may want to assert it. we wanted to know if they had actually called him and told him not to testify. the other thing is that our reporting really kind of ties into this whole story because now that we know that steve bannon had already been given a subpoena almost a week -- exactly a week before he testified, he had probably discussed with his lawye

. >> the committee had better luck with white house deputy chief of staff rick dearborn who was describedfully cooperative. former campaign manager lew lewandowski was the exact opposite. he would not talk about the campaign or conversations he's had with the president since. lewandowski didn't claim executive privilege, just said he wasn't prepared to answer questions. as you can imagine, that didn't sit well with members of the committee either. >> to me, it's inconceivable that you would come to an investigative hearing on these issues unprepared to answer questions about any event that took place either during the campaign or thereafter that was relevant to the issues we're investigating. >> all this sets the stage for hope hicks. to meet with investigators, reportedly tomorrow. now, keep in mind that this is all happening in congress. separate and apart from special counsel bob mueller's investigation. mueller has secured a deal to interview bannon too, but it doesn't sound like executive privilege will be an issue. with mueller, that means everything is fair game. where does this le

while former manager corey lewandowski and rick dearborn both went before the board on tuesday. >> steve bannon refused to answer any questions after the campaign. >> but sources tell cbs news bannon has agreed to cooperate with special counsel robert mueller, and he will, quote, tell all. he said mueller will also likely get a chance to interview the president. >> the president is eager to sit down and explain whatever is responsive to the question. >> but cobb is concerned mr. trump could purr jerjure himsel >> do you have a fear? >> no, but i think it would be foolish to not consider that possibility. >> reporter: cobb says the mueller investigation will be over in six weeks, acknowledging he's made that prediction before and was wrong. the difference this time, he said, quote, mueller is desperately trying to bring this to an honorable conclusion. gayle? >> a lot of people hope that's the case. >>> a government shutdown could affect the most widespread flu season in recent years. a map for the centers for disease control has shown how it's spread since october. if a funding bill is n

while former campaign manager corey lewandowski and deputy chief of staff rick dearborn both went before the committee yesterday. bannon's testimony on tuesday irritated both republicans and democrats. >> steve bannon refused to answer any questions after the campaign. >> reporter: but sources tell cbs news bannon has agreed to cooperate with special counsel mueller and he will, quote, tell all. white house lawyer ty cobb told the cbs podcast the takeout that mueller will also likely get a chance to interview the president. >> the president is very eager to sit down and explain whatever is responsive to the question. >> reporter: but cobb is concerned mr. trump could perjure himself. >> do you have any fear of a perjury trap? >> no, but i think it would be foolish to not proceed without considering that possibility. >> reporter: cobb tells us he expects the mueller investigation to be over in four to six weeks. acknowledging he's made that prediction before and been wrong. the difference now, cobb told us, he believes mueller is, quote, desperately trying to bring this to an honorable co