degree when he got out, and then former governor michael dukakis gave him a governor's pardon so rick dyer could officially practice law. are there times when you still look back now and say i can't believe what's happened? >> yes. probably every week, if not twice, three times. >> i think that attorney dyer had an experience that brought him out on the other side. >> glor: and knowing both sides, dyer now hopes to preside in that same courtroom as a judge. >> i think we need to redefine the way we treat people in the system. >> glor: in the meantime, he's investing his time in the community, meeting every week with kids like bernard rogers at this inner-city youth center. >> it's inspirational to see now, it's like a whole 360. >> gee, that sounds like self-esteem. >> glor: but maybe not a complete 3 sixth. dyer still considers himself a work in progress who knows how hard the transformation was. >> when i remember people like mike dukakis who really meant what they said and stood up for people like me and gave us a voice, and i'm hoping that's what i can do. >> glor: rick dyer hopes mass