got a heads-up from rick gates, he knew there was more information coming. >> i see two things. first, the president was not truthful with robert mueller, which is a major problem. but i can see a bigger pattern here. if you look at the ukraine scandal and this scandal around wikileaks, it's clear the president of the united states is ruthless, and he will use any tactic possible to do so. he is conveying to his henchmen whether it's roger stone or rudy giuliani or sondland that he's willing to do whatever it takes to get dirt on his enemies and potentially vanquish them. >> when you siee this, we're learning new things in roger stone's trial. your opinion? >> it's showing a pattern. if the president of the united states is not showing consequences for these kind of actions, whether it's wikileaks in the 2016 election, or the ukraine call, i actually really worry about the future of our democracy and what he will do if he's not impeached. it's clear he needs guardrails imposed upon him. >> thank you for your insights. >>> former president jimmy carter is recovering after his bra

that is what rick gates testified to.t to just recall for everyone, bring everyone back to the mueller investigation. this was a key point in the mueller investigation. in fact, it was a question that mueller had asked donald trump, writing in a question to donald trump, asking if he had any conversations with roger stone or anyone else regarding wikileaks? and basically donald trump says that he did not recall having those conversations. rick gates, on the other hand, said, yeah, these conversations did take place. donald trump in the written questions that he submitted and the answers that he submitted to mueller, said, i don't recall those conversations. this trial essentially ending on that note. the prosecution and the defense now is expected to rest this afternoon. stone is not expected to testify, but obviously the big thing here now is that we have donald trump being linked directly to the conversations concerning wikileaks. john? >> the issue that appears will never go away. shimon prokupecz, i appreciate the liv

they also plan to call rick gates. rick gates is a former top trump campaign aide. honig. shimon, what are the key things we are learning today? >> certainly, don, right out of the gate in the opening statements from prosecutors, they laid out their motive, why they believe roger stone lied. and as much as donald trump is obviously not present in this trial, he's not going to appear here, he's not going to be a witness, he is a big part of this trial. and prosecutors wanted to make that clear. they say the reason why roger stone lied, why he lied to members of congress during this investigation, was because he wanted to protect the trump campaign. he wanted to protect donald trump. they also revealed that they're going to be calling some big witnesses, steve bannon, a man that they call the ceo. they told the jurors this was the senior man on the campaign, that he was the ceo of the campaign and that roger stone and he were emailing. roger stone and he were talking. then as you said, rick gates. rick gates is going to come in as well. and then the other big reveal he

we now have rick gates saying, you know what? i remember.remember donald trump having a conversation with roger stone specifically about wikileaks, brooke. >> so on your mueller point, sara, my question for you. does the testimony in this roger stone trial connect the dots in a way that maybe the mueller investigation didn't? >> in some ways it does, because it does really put donald trump, then candidate trump, at the center of what was roger stone's alleged attempts to try to get intel from wikileaks and share those with the campaign and it puts the candidate trump sort of in the middle of that in a way that the mueller report kind of didn't, but prosecutors are not able to prove or able to answer this key question of whether roger stone was actually in touch with wikileaks or julian assange, was actually able to get any information fro wikileaks and julian assange and hand that over to the campaign. that's the piece of this that t expect is going to be answered even at the end of this trial and wasn't answered in a way that the mueller te

. >> rick gates was interviewed by the fbi as part of the special counsel's investigation last year, and this is what he told the special counsel -- excuse me, the fbi, that in fact -- the theory, the seed was planted that ukraine was involved in the dnc hack in 2016, when the trump

and testimony from rick gates former 2016 trump campaign aide who testified the trump campaign was in a quote/unquote state of happiness over wikileaks release of dnc emails and that trump talked to stone by phone after the first wikileaks dump and trump was told more information would be coming, but that alleged phone call with stone contradicts what trump told special counsel robert mueller in his written responses. cnn contributor garrett graf is with me. since you were so in the weeds on all things mueller i wanted to talk to you. walk us through what trump said in the written responses to mueller compared to what we heard from rick gates today? >> yeah. the trump response, this is part of the evidence that came out as part of the mueller report. they released the questions in writing that donald trump had submitted to the special counsel, and the, he said at the time that he had no recollection of the specifics of his conversations with roger stone, and that he did not recall talking about wikileaks and he did not recall any -- any early sign that wikileaks dumps were coming. now

and rick gates was paul manafort's deputy. he was side by side with paul manafort and clearly in this release this information that cnn sued for, finally got, we learn just how important what they were thinking. how the fbi agents felt, the way the campaign was thinking about these wikileaks and this dump and the stolen e-mails, how important that played into the investigation. and what you find in reading these documents, rick gates explained how excited so many people were in the campaign by the fact that wikileaks was going to have this dump, was going to release these e-mails, the president himself at the time candidate trump was so excited by this release us, with asking when is it coming? when is the release coming? the family, trump jrs, kushner, all sorts of people inside the campaign really realizing the significance of this wikileaks. one point in the interviews it says that this was going to be a game changer, sort of a turning point, in the campaign. so that's what you are seeing here and see how significant this w

they're expected to hear from rick gates. prokupecz is live outside district court in washington. good morning. >> good morning, erica. that's right. rick gates, the next big witness here for prosecutors. and that could happen as soon as this morning. there is a possibility that he could be the first witness up for the prosecution. it's going to be a big day because rick gates is really going to be testifying all about the campaign. the reach out from the campaign to roger stone, who is arriving in court as i'm speaking right now. rick gates is going to talk about the communications that he had with roger stone about wikileaks. about roger stone's claims he had information ahead of time of what wikileaks was going to be putting out there and how the president, then candidate donald trump, knew about this. had conversations with people in the campaign about it. in anticipation of the release about how happy the campaign was, when the release came out. issues surrounding the release and how the campaign was trying to build a st

president trump's former campaign chair rick gates testified yesterday the president spoke with stone in the summer of 2016, but in his written responses to special counsel robert mueller, mr. trump said he could not recall any conversations, raising questions whether mr. trump misled robert mueller. joining us now, cnn analyst josh campbell. i know you've been following the roger stone trial closely. what's been head-slapping to you? >> the question is what did the president know and when did he know it. you have two narratives now at odds. you have rick gates saying the president knew what was going on as to wikileaks and the stolen emails and you have him submitting questions to prosecutors saying he doesn't know any of that. that stuns me. you talk to people in law enforcement who look at the way robert mueller handled this investigation. in law enforcement, they say you follow the facts wherever they lead. it appears now mueller was treating the president with kid gloves. now we know why. had the president been forced to sit before agents and the fbi, he would have been caught up

rick gates told the fbi the rnc was energized by the announcement from wikileaks in junethey plan toaccording to rick gates the folks at the rnc were not just energized by these announcements from wikileaks, they were also in the know. from the interview notes, "the rnc indicated they knew the timing of the upcoming releases." hmm. according to gates, the timing was, "the only nonpublic information the rnc had about upcoming releases but he apparently said republicans did have enough of a heads-up to know the timing, to know when more of these materials that were stolen by russian intelligence and distributed by wikileaks, the rnc knew in advance when those distributions were going to happen. they did? how'd they know that? that's one. here's the other one. rick gates also told the fbi that paul manafort, the trump campaign chairman who's now a federal inmate, had said that the hack on the dnc was, quote, likely carried out by the ukrainians. not the russians. according to the fbi interview notes that, quote, parroted a narrative narrative that konstantin kilimnik had often supported

that after the hacked dnc e-mails, the president told rick gates that more leaks were coming.ust pulling a couple from the report that just came out this afternoon. >> yeah. and i -- i need to make a point of just noting here that this is the first release of what the fbi says are approximately 46,000 pages. so, sure, don't look for a smoking gun. >> 46,000? >> 46,000 pages, perhaps, with interviews that were conducted with nearly 500 witnesses, if not -- if not more. so there's going to be a lot of information revealed down the road, every month for the next eight years, as you noted. but, you know, some of the -- one other detail -- >> sorry to interrupt you there. as it released, is there any logic to the release? or is it that which they decide to give to you? >> it is that which they decide to give to us. i mean, the fbi will go through these documents. they'll conduct a security review. they'll either declassify information if anything's classified. redact information, what needs to be redacted. but we do not know who -- who will be -- what -- what interview subject will

and by the way, that rick gates testimony, prosecutors would not have put that on unless they thoughts true. they have an ethical obligation not to put false testimony before a jury. so you had the u.s. attorneys office in d.c. endorsing this statement by rick gates that refutes donald trump's sworn testimony to robert mueller, chris. >> maya, this is morality play. this guy wasn't a good guy to begin with. he's a dirty stricter by trade. if he gets a bad verdict tomorrow we're talking at his age which would be a long sentence. >> unless he's getting a pardon, which would be politically unwise for trump i think. but it's very hard to understand roger stone's behavior in any other way. because remember he had the opportunity -- first of all, jerome corsi refused to cooperate. remember jerome corsi is in the indictment. he's the person roger stone wouldn't reveal when he kept saying i have this back channel and then he says it's randy credico who testified in the trial. but he was protecting jerome corsi and also the guy who miraculously wiped clean his computer before investigators cou

with interviews with rick gates, details within the trump campaign as it pursued damaging information discussions show that rick gates had with fbi agents, he recalled a time on the campaign aircraft when trump said, get the emails. the interviews also show that michael flynn claimed that he could somehow use his intelligence sources to obtain some of these emails, and then rick gates describes, essentially, in these interviews with investigators, how several close advisers to donald trump and trump's family members and trump himself consider how to get the stolen documents and even pushed for this effort. donald trump jr., we're told, in family meetings, according to these documents, would have discussions about this. michael flynn was present with jared kushner, paul manafort and other people attached to the campaign like corwin lewandowski and jeff sessions, who was part of the campaign at the time, all expressed interest in obtaining the emails as well. so these 240 pages of documents we obtained are just some of what's to come. every month we expect to get more as the justice dep

former chair rick gates told mueller's team that former trump campaign chair paul manafort had pushedspiracy theory that ukraine, not russia was behind the hacking of a dnc server. that theory is the same as referenced by the president's president with the infamous call can president zelensky earlier this year. he asked for a favor to help investigate it. joins us jason lee opolicy, yawn stan itch, and tom nichols is back with you. you broke the story, jason. the tie-in here from the documents that you were able to obtain is right around the same time, if we've got our months right, when the president did say in front of the cameras, and he reached out to russia saying, if you can help us -- i'm paraphrasing, of course -- with they e-mails, please do so. >> rick gates was interviewed by the fbi as part of the special counsel's investigation last year, and this is what he told the special counsel -- excuse me, the fbi, that in fact -- the theory, the seed was planted that ukraine was involved in the dnc hack in 2016, when the trump campaign began to discuss that. it was another manafor

what did we learn from rick gate's testimony? >> rick gates had a front row seat to the campaign.ion that he knew. that he had first hand knowledge concerning contacts between roger stone and the campaign. then even donald trump himself. he is in an zusuv he describes driving with then candidate donald trump as they are on their way during the height of the kpacampaign. it's the end of july. they are in an suv when donald trump calls donald trump and there's a conversation and rick gates describes he knows it's roger stone because he could see that on donald trump's phone. it comes up as stone's number and roger stone and donald trump have a conversation about wikileaks. at the end of the conversation after donald trump hangs up with roger stone, donald trump describes how there's more information coming. more leaks, more information coming from wikileaks. it was an ending to the testimony today. that part coming at the end of rick gates testimony. it was really the first time that we had first hand acknowledge, someone inside the campaign who said, testified that donald trump had

former top trump campaign aide rick gates also expected to be called to the witness stand.imon prokupecz outside the trial with all the developments. any idea when bannon may come to court? >> no idea yet when he's going to actually appear and testify, but certainly as you said, it's going to be a big day. prosecutors here yesterday in their opening statement and, really, in the direct examination, there's an fbi agent that has just taken the stand. she was laying out yesterday's -- bannon's role in all of this. the president's role in all of this. and they are certainly billing him as a big witness. and his whole involvement and this really is communications, emails and text messages with roger stone about roger stone's efforts to get some of these emails, get information on exactly what wikileaks had. in one exchange, roger stone tells steve bannon he knows how to win and it isn't going to be pretty, but he knows how the president, then candidate donald trump, could win and then bannon says to him, well, let's talk asap. and then there's another exchange between someone w

this is what mueller was told by rick gates when he was interviewed.hese documents are just the beginning of yet more is going to come within the next few months. we do expect more documents like this to be released by the department of justice. >> thank you. >>> anita kumar is a associate editor of politico and michael zeldin is both with us. thank you both with being here. anita, i want to start with you and look ahead what is happening tomorrow with john eisenberg who is on deck to testify. he is the top lawyer on the white house national security council. alex vindman testified that eisenberg is the one who told him not to say anything about the july 25th call and eisenberg is the one who moved the transcript of that call to a highly secure server. how critical is his testimony at the end of the day tomorrow, if he shows up. >> yeah, if he shows up is exactly right. we don't know if he is going to come. he and his deputy, so another attorney for the nsc are supposed to testify tomorrow. both of them are very key. they were two people that a lot of

in the notes from the fbi interview with rick gates, officials say gates recalled manafort saying the. that conspiracy theory is one of the things that donald trump asked the ukrainian prime minister to investigate in their phone call. but according to rick gates, no one was more defensive of russia than michael flynn, donald trump's first national security adviser, who is now a convicted felon for lying to the fbi. after this break, former ambassador to russia michael mcfaul, and chuck rosenberg will join us to consider how this new information from the mueller investigation can be helpful in the impeachment inquiry. that's next. that's next. ♪ do you recall, not long ago ♪ we would walk on the sidewalk ♪ ♪ all around the wind blows ♪ we would only hold on to let go ♪ ♪ blow a kiss into the sun ♪ we need someone to lean on ♪ blow a kiss into the sun ♪ we needed somebody to lean on ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ all we need is someone to lean on ♪ itso chantix can help you quit slow turkey. along with support, chantix is proven to help you quit. with chantix you can keep smoking at first and ease into quitt

in the notes from the fbi interview with rick gates, officials say gates recalled manafort saying theinians. that conspiracy theory is one of the things that donald trump asked the ukrainian prime minister to investigate in their phone call. but according to rick gates, no one was more defensive of russia than michael flynn, donald trump's first national security adviser, who is now a convicted felon for lying to the fbi. after this break, former ambassador to russia michael mcfaul, and chuck rosenberg will join us to consider how this new information from the mueller investigation can be helpful in the impeachment inquiry. that's next. that's next. i get it all the time. "have you lost weight?" of course i have- ever since i started renting from national. because national lets me lose the wait at the counter... ...and choose any car in the aisle. and i don't wait when i return, thanks to drop & go. at national, i can lose the wait...and keep it off. looking good, patrick. i know. (vo) go national. go like a pro. ♪ do you recall, not long ago ♪ we would walk on the sidewalk ♪ ♪ all ar

rick gates, yes, i dooch am question, did you have questions regarding the announcement?dnc's attitude it had been hacked by the russian government? >> answer, we believe it information were to come out based on what we were told that information might be about, there were a number of us that felt it would give our campaign a leg up. mr. stone indicated that he wanted to reach out to jared kushner and political director jim murphy to debrief them on the developments of the dnc announcement. question, on july -- were there any brainstorming sessions done at that point? >> answer, oh, yeah. prior to that point there were brainstorming sessions on the idea of if the information was leaked what would the campaigns say and respond. and once wikileaks did release the hacked material, question, what was the campaign's action towards the release? >> answer, the fact the information had come out, the campaign was in a state of happiness. when the trump campaign heard that specifically the russian government had hacked the democratic party, they thought that was great for them. the

rick gates, yes, i do. question.with senior leadership of the trump campaign regarding the dnc's announcement? answer, we did. question, what was the campaign's attitude toward the dnc's announcement it had been hacked by the russian government? answer, we believed that if information were to come out that based on what we were told that information might be about there were a number of us that felt that it would give our campaign a leg up. mr. stone indicated that he wanted to reach out to jared kushner and political director jim murphy to debrief them on the developments of the dnc announcement. question, on july -- were there any brainstorming sessions held at that point? answer, oh, yes. prior to july there were brainstorming sessions on the idea of if the information was leaked what would the campaigns say and respond. and then once wikileaks did release the hacked material, question, what was the campaign's attitude toward the release? answer, the fact that the information had come out, the campaign was in a st

as you know, rick gates testified he was there when the president got off the phone with roger stone and said more wiki leaks information would be coming. in the mueller report it 11said that manafort was giving information about president trump and where he believed the wikileaks situation was going. and he was updating the president. he said he didn't recall anything about roger stone communicating with campaign officials about wikileaks. he didn't know about it coming out or anything to that recall. he said i don't recall more than two dozen times. basically, this is just adding more urgency to the democrats argument that they believe the president lied in his written answers. as you know, the president's legal team has denied that. basically the written answers speak for themselves and defended the president. >> everyone hold this thought. we'll come back to that in a second. we have another layer to the story today. >> the president's lawyers asked the court to step in ahead of wednesday's deadline, trump's long time accounting firm had been ordered to turn over the final record

and it was redacted and it could very well be that that call, if rick gates is supposed to be one of the witnesses, the deputy campaign manager, who had a plea deal, rick gates could testify who was on that phone call. >> yes, i think that we are positioned to see a lot of things that were redacted from the mueller report. the bulk of the redactions in the report related to pending matter, and i think most people believe the pending matter is the roger stone trial, to prevent any unfairness to him before his trial, much of that material was redacted. now that's about to come out. i think we'll learn how much president trump knew about what was going on with wikileaks. even though robert mueller concluded it did not arise to the level of conspiracy, he did conclude that there was coordination going on with what the messaging was going to be regarding wikileaks. for example, in the stone indictment it talks about now would be a good time to start messaging that hillary clinton is not well, that she's ill, perhaps anticipating that there would be emails coming out that coincided with th

same with rick gates.ick gates has been cooperating roger stone's efforts to help the campaign get these wikileaks information. as for this morning, i have to say it's been a very colorful morning inside the courtroom where the prosecutors are laying out some of the text messages that roger stone was sending to a witness who is going to be coming in and testifying here. that fbi agent is still on the stand, so a lot more to come later today, kate. >> much more to come. we'll stick close to it. shimon, thanks so much. >> reporter: yep. >> we'll be right back. we have so much more. he says he needs a hug. it's happening..! just ok is not ok. especially when it comes to your network. at&t is america's best wireless network according to america's biggest test. too many after-parties. new neutrogena® bright boost with dullness-fighting neoglucosamine. boosts cell turnover by 10 times for instantly brighter skin. bright boost neutrogena®. the roomba i7+ with cleanng base automatic dirt disposal and allergenlock™

also expected to testify, rick gates. both men could shed new light on the campaign's contacts with russia. stone accused of witness tampering and obstructing justice. prosecutors allege he regularly updated campaign officials, including bannon, about information he had on wikileaks. >>> two former twitter employees accused of being spies for saudi arabia. the justice department alleges the two used their access at twitter to collect sensitive, private data on saudi disside dissidents. the case underscores allegations that the saudi government tries to silence anti-regime voices abro abroad. the d.o.j. criminal complaint claims the two men were paid hundreds of thousands of dollars by saudi arabia for their work. the investigations are expected to heighten scrutiny of tech companies' ability to protect the privacy of their users. >>> two murder suspects who cut a hole in a ceiling to escape from a northern california jail have been recaptured. 21-year-old santos fonseca and jon salazar, were captured by border agents on t

rick gates said he was there when it happened. we'll keep our eye on that. president trump for his part was at the new york economic club this morning. he did not mention the upcoming public hearings. but he has been tweeting about them. those hearing begin tomorrow and we expect they will mirror some of the closed-door hearings that have already taken place. there will be three leadoff witnesses starting with bill taylor. now if you are only just starting to pay attention to all of this, we understand but he got you, too. on nbcbayarea.com we have a back to basics what, is going on and why this is a big deal and quid pro quo but for not dummies. that will bring you up to speed on what the president is alleged to have done. and why he's facing these early steps to impeachment. and nbc will start special impeachment coverage starting at 7:00 a.m. tomorrow right after "today in the bay." >> thanks, scott. >>> coming up, former president jimmy carter underwent emergency surgery this morning. we'll have an update on the post-surgery conditions. >>> and major pro

rick gates testifying that after a phone call with roger stone, trump told gates more information wouldontradict what trump told mueller. asked about the communication with roger stone. here's what he said. i spoke by telephone with stone from time to time. during the campaign. i have no recollection of the specifics of any conversation i had with mr. stone between june and november. i do not recall discussing wikileaks or being aware of discussing with individuals associated with my campaign. did he lie there? >> it's almost impossible to know. i'm sure you know i do not recall is the preferred answer by every defense attorney for their client to deliver under almost any circumstance. it's almost impossible to prove that somebody lied when they are saying i don't remember. the thing i find remarkable about the president's written response to that question and what we learned in the stone trial is that he didn't just say i don't remember ever talking to stone about wikileaks. but says i don't remember ever hearing about anyone in my campaign talking to stone about wikileaks. we heard st

former deputy campaign chair rick gates testified he was riding with trump to new york's la guardia airport that summer when trump took a phone call from stone lasting several minutes. gates said the two men apparently discussed wikileaks plans to release democratic emails which were hacked and stolen by russians. after mr. trump got off the phone with mr. stone, what did mr. trump say, the prosecutor asked gates. he indicated more information would be coming, gate responded today at stone's criminal trial. gates testified prior to wikileaks first email dump for months information had been talked about. after the july release, gates said that the campaign was in a state of happiness. >> this just came out. wikileaks, i love wikileaks. >> reporter: gates' testimony flies in the face of denial of both stone and trump that the two ever discussed wikileaks. >> i know nothing about wikileaks. >> reporter: in written responses to the mueller team president trump said i did not recall any communication between stone and wikileaks. but the phone call and trump's reaction described in court today pu

steveng bannon a them and rick gates, deputy campaign share.in art of gates' testimony, he talks abouthis phone call. what was that pne call and why was it key to what prosecutors were alleging? spencer: stone denied speaking to the campaign about trying to get the wikileaks emails. president trump in his own answers to the mueller commission said he spoke with stone severalimes inhe course of the election campaign season but that he didn't recall any specifics, didn't recall speaking to him about wikileaks andidn't recall knowing about any communications that stone had with his campaign. what gates said and other evidence showed was that there d been discussions since april that stone had had with top levels of the campaign, campaign chairman paul manafort, deputy rick gates, later chief executive steve bannon and with the candidate himself that on july 31, in the middle of the president of the democratic national convention and the time when the emails were coming out and wikileaks was tweeting about this, there was this call between sto and trump that gates heard while they were tra

former deputy campaign chair rick gates testifi york's la guardia airport that summer when trump took a phone call from stone where the pair apparently discussed wikileaks plans to release democratic emails which were hacked and stolen by russians. after mr. trump got off the phone with mr. stone, what did mr. trump say, the prosecutor asked gates. he indicated more information would be coming gates responded today at stone's criminal trial. he testified that prior to wikileaks first email dump, for months information had been talked about. after the july release, gates said the campaign was in a state of happiness. gates' testimony flies in the face of denial from both stone and trump that the two ever discussed wikileaks. in written responses to robert mueller's team, president trump said, i did not recall any communication between stone and wikileaks. the phone call and trump's reaction puts in sharper focus how much trump allegedly knew about how the russian hack and release of emails could boost his campaign. >> this just came

have tried to shred rick gates' credibility because he obviously pled guilty lying to the fbi you know that's something we're going to be seeing from the roger stone attorneys as they go after rick gates' credibility. >> it's a fascinating case. it has the 2016 campaign. it has the final leads of the mueller probe. it's just so much there, and thanks for helping us understand it a little better tonight. appreciate you. >> thanks so much. >> thank you, sir. >>> still ahead, a very special guest on the democrats scoring these big election wins and why some republicans are on edge. >> if you lose, they're going to say trump suffered the greatest defeat in the history of the world. this was the greatest. you can't let that happen to me. >> later, the cyclist who went viral for giving donald trump the bird back in the news for a political reason. we'll explain. i am the twisting thundercloud. i am royalty of racing, i am alfa romeo. whyou should be mad that airports are complicated... he's my emotional support snake. ...but you're not, because you have e*trade, whose tech isn't complicated.

they include michael cohen, paul manafort, rick gates, george papadopoulos and michael flynn.ts after thverdict, the president tweeted, "so they now convict roger stone of lying and want to ja him for many years to come." the president then referenced hillary clinton, james comey and others, acsing them of lying. spencer hsu of the "washington post" coved the trial and joins me now. welcome to the "newshour". >> thank you very much. >> reporter: so stne is found guilty of obstructing the congressional investigation we inlisted there. hat ways did prosecutors say he obstructed the investigati, what did h do? >> jurors found he lied in five different ways, denying he had a ba channel or intermediary or wikileaks with whom he sought infmation that he did not have any records of any communications with those any such individuals. he falsely named one person as a source of information, andn witness and direct him to lie or to mislead or not cooperate with the committee, and he also denied communicating with the trump campaign about this intermediary orfis eforts, and then, finally,

so in this trial here the new stuff we have for you here is rick gates holdss goes in there to detailside scoops in advance about wikileaks releasing stolen e-mails from the russian government or the hackers linked to them. that not only looks shady but raises important question of whether those statements by trump to mueller are actually false and could be a crime. statements like i do not recall discussing wikileaks with roger stone, and i have no recollection of the specifics of any conversations i had with mr. stone between june 1, 2016, and november 8, 2016. well, mr. gates is testifying he actually knows within that very period of time, nine days after the first release from wikileaks, roger stone called donald trump and they talked. gates was right there in the car with trump who got off the line and now i can report to you told him more information would be coming about clinton's e-mails. and a lot more information did come out. now, the legal issue in the roger stone trial is to be clear relatively narrow. did he corruptly obstruct the probe? did he criminally tamper with a w

michael flynn, rick gates, george papadopoulos. the only thing to do now is tell the truth. >>> today's statement from david holmes is the latest bombshell in the impeachment investigation. however the president's defenders explain the fact that this time the witness himself heard the president, heard him ask about investigations from the ukraine. lots to talk about. max booth, laura coats, susan glasser, they're up next. there's just something different to a disney movie. (vo) verizon knows you love all things disney. i think we've watched every single movie at least twice. four times. 100 times. (vo) that's why your unlimited plan now comes with disney+ on us for a year. because the network more people rely on gives you more. well you remember what happened last year. you can't bring a backup thanksgiving to my sister's house. it's not like we're going to walk in with it. we'll bring it in as we need it. ...phase it in. phase it in? yeah, phase it in. >>> so here's our breaking news on cnn. a state department aide testifying that

and then rick gates describes how several close advisers to donald trump and trump's family members and trump himself consider how to get the stone documents and even pushed for this effort donald trump jr. we're told in family meetings, according to these documents, would have discussions about this. michael flynn was present, jared kushner, paul manafort and people attached to the campaign, corey lewandowsky, jeff sessions who was part of the campaign at the time all expressed interest in obtaining the emails as well. this is just the start of more to come. cnn has sued for more of this. we're told every month we are expected to get more as the justice department has been ordered to release these documents on a monthly basis. the documents also show how the trump campaign, paul manafort at the time, erroneously raised the possibility that the ukrainians, not the russians, might have been the ones responsible forring thatting the computers of the democratic national committee in 2016. this is what mueller was told when he was interviewed. these documents are just the beginning of what

roger stone's trial last week, rick gates, the testimony, what the president knew about the wikileaks dump in 2016, and what the president said in those responses to robert mueller and the whole investigation. the question now is, did he lie? and why is this relevant now? >> it's massively relevant. the question, did the president lie too often spoiler alert is yes. they were very careful in these wring answers. you see the answers he gave to wikileaks, i do not recall. but he specifically mentioned roger stone. and the things that came out in the stone trial, showed a preoccupation by the candidate, now president trump about wikileaks. and a constantly back channeling in the presence of rick gates and other folks, that is very difficult to square, and it's easy to see that he -- you know, he perhaps defaulted and even within that legalism, i don't recall, did not tell the truth about his preoccupation with getting information about wikileaks and hillary clinton's emails which were hacked by the russians. >> as i talked to two lawyers last hour. this could become -- >> another article

according to testimony from former trump campaign official rick gates earlier this week.d mueller's team, i do not recall discussing wikileaks with him. president trump who has weighed whether to pardon stone in recent months slammed the verdict, tweeting so they now convict roger stone of lying and want to jail him for many years to come. he called stone's conviction a double standard, claiming hillary clinton, adam schiff and even robert mueller had lied. stone declined to come on a possible pardon. >> mr. stone, what's your reaction to the verdict? >> no comment. >> will you be seeking a pardon from president trump? >> no comment. >> sara murray, cnn, washington. >>> and joining me now is david cats, former u.s. assistant attorney. thank you so much for doing so. seven felony charges, seven guilty verdicts, lying to congress, witness tampering, could mean 20 years in jail. how does this hurt donald trump and the trump narrative? it certainly sends a message. >> well, it hurts terribly, really, because something happens with wikileaks that was very, very vicious. and as

we're still way iing to hear fr rick gates. nvolvement, what roger stone e-mailed him. the jury's already seen e-mails from stone to gates. intimating that he had special knowledge of wikileaks' operations. >> stone is a self-proclaim ed showman and it's been on display in the last week right there in downtown u. is is he actually fighting for his innocence or is he just kind of putting on a spectacle for the media? >> of course there's a spectacle. every day we walk in, we walk past a 20 foot tall inflatable rat with donald trump's hair, the proud boys are there and obviously that brings a spectacle. we expected nothing less from roger stone, but pretty much his defense so far has been trying to sew any seeds of doubt. >> there's a man with a cloth that walks in with him nowadays. never a dull u moment. >> day one on jury selection, we had a medical emergency. roger stone went home with food poison iing and it's only gotte crazier. randy, it doesn't matter what you point to with randy. >> the bizarre aspect, the god father mome

known appearance of that weird conspiracy theory in the wild from the fbi interview notes with rick gates. quote, gates recalled paul manafort saying the hack was likely carried out by the ukrainians, not the russians. why did manafort say that, that, quote, parroted a narrative that kilimnik often supported. that's the person who was saying that it was ukraine, not russia. that's where paul manafort got it from. who's constantine kilimnik, he's the guy manafort worked for years in ukraine, who came out of russian military intelligence. who the fbi assesses is still linked to russian military intelligence. so this whole thing that the president and the white house and republicans in congress now are actively promoting, this conspiracy theory that russia didn't intervene in the 2016 election, it was ukraine who did that, that theory appears to have originated with the gru, with the russian military intelligence. with a russian military intelligence guy who delivered it to the president's campaign chair who was in prison for laundering with not paying taxes for the millions of dollars he to

i sent this to reince and briefed rick gates and hannity. later that night, steve bannon emailed kushner and said, quote, we need to avoid this guy like the plague. they're going to try and say the russians worked with wikileaks to give this victory to us. paul is a nice guy, but can't let word get out he is advising us. we've also learned just how hard donald trump was pushing to get hillary clinton's emails himself and the extent to which mike flynn, donald trump's first national security adviser, was willing to obtain them. from the mueller notes, gates recalled a time on the campaign aircraft when candidate trump said get the emails. flint said he could use his intelligence sources to obtain the emails. flynn was adamant the russians did not carry out the hack. joining me now, midwin charles, a civil trial and criminal defense attorney, cynthia oxney, msnbc legal analyst and former federal prosecutor. paul butler, also an msnbc legal analyst and former federal prosecutor and jennifer rubin, msnbc political analyst and my colleague at "th

former deputy campaign chair rick gates testified he was riding with trump to new york's laguardia airport call from stone lasting several minutes. gates says the two men apparently discussed wikileaks' plans to release democratic emails which were hacked and stolen by russians. after mr. trump got off the phone with mr. stone, what did mr. trump say, the prosecutor asked gates. he indicated more information would be coming, gates responded today at stone's criminal trial. gates testified that prior to wikileaks' first email dump, for months information had been talked about. after the july release, gates said the campaign was in a state of happiness. >> this just came out. wikileaks. i love wikileaks. >> reporter: gates' testimony flies in the face of denials from both stone and trump that the two ever discussed wikileaks. >> i know nothing about wikileaks. it's not my thing. >> reporter: in written responses to robert mueller's team, president trump said, "i do not recall any communication between stone and wikileaks." but the phone call and trump's reaction described in court today puts

he joins paul manafort, rick gates, michael cohen. what's the significance of this verdict, do you think? >> it's certainly a victory for the rule of law and facts matter and you can't go into congress and lie. it's also important because this one actually involves the president. there was nothing roger stone was doing with respect to wikileaks that was inherently illegal. it was the lying to cover up for the president and the fact he and members of his campaign knew about this, they were gleeful about this, happy about getting this information from wikileaks. that's what he was hiding and covering up. that's why he's going to prison. >> he's a sort of conduit between the trump campaign and wikileaks, right? >> and he wouldn't admit that because he knew that would hurt the president. >> let's talk about ambassador gordon sondland's testimony next week. how do you expect him to handle this next week given what we've seen already with stone and the back of his mind now. >> i would expect what we saw today and how seriously prosecutors a

rick gates will turn out to be a very significant witness for the prosecutors.the early stages of laying all this out and showing how roger stone lied to congress, they say, when they asked him, when they were investigating the russian interference, how roger stone lied about his contacts with the campaign and the president. >> what are they saying? >> they're extensive and many. there were several. at least three when it was revealed the dnc had been hacked and continuation of contacts of roger stone claiming he can help the president win, claiming he had contacts, had an intermediary who could help him. there was a lot of funny moments, also, when randy was on the stand. and there is a lot going on today, funny moments. the judge reminding one witness, this is serious business, you're comedians but this is serious. we have a lot to go to. we will have steve bannon testifying tomorrow perhaps. >> a reluctant witness? >> a reluctant witness, being subpoenaed and compelled to testify. this will bring it closer and closer to the president as this trial goes on in

i mean, they're going to have to use somebody other than just rick gates saying i was told or i knew i don't see stone providing that information. cheryl: another legal issue that the president is facing right now is the supreme court yesterday, chief justice john roberts issuing a stay on an appeals court ruling that granted initially house democrats access to president trump's financial records. the president's attorney said for the first time in our nation's history, congress subpoenaed the personal records of a sitting president from before he was in office. all of this has ended up in the courts, the supreme court now. >> critical what jay sekulo says there, they're trying to get records from before the presidency. so the trump administration is making arrestin arguments it's t relevant. up until yesterday, he was going to have to actually provide those records. but the supreme court stepped in and stayed it. it stopped it. doesn't mean that trump's going to ultimately win in the supreme court. doesn't mean that the supreme court's going to take it up. but what it does, it's a h

what rick gates is going to do is -- what he's going to do is establish even more that roger stone andhe campaign were in communications about all of this information. >> i don't know how you keep up with it, shimon. it's hard to keep up with all of the names and all the different cases that we're following in the legal wrangling here, and we do it every night. i thank you both. i appreciate it. >>> the president heading for his third sporting event in the past few weeks after getting booed twice. is he in search -- a man in search of a cheer? i get it all the time. "have you lost weight?" of course i have- ever since i started renting from national. because national lets me lose the wait at the counter... ...and choose any car in the aisle. and i don't wait when i return, thanks to drop & go. at national, i can lose the wait...and keep it off. looking good, patrick. i know. (vo) go national. go like a pro. hey fred - it's medicare open enrollment.e. time to compare plans. we're fine with what we have. that's what the johnsons thought until they tried medicare's new plan finder. the jo

what rick gates is going to do is -- what he's going to do is establish even more that roger stone and campaign were in communications about all of this information. >> i don't know how you keep up with it, shimon. it's hard to keep up with all of the names and all the different cases that we're following and the legal wrangling here, and we do it every night. i thank you both. i appreciate it. >>> the president heading for his third sporting event in the past few weeks. after getting booed twice, is he in search -- a man in search of a cheer? with esri location technology, you can see relationships. connections. patterns. you can see what others can't. ♪ billions of problems. dry mouth? parched mouth? cotton mouth? there's a therabreath for you. therabreath oral rinse and lozenges. help relieve dry mouth using natural enzymes to soothe and moisturize. so you can... breathe easy, there's therabreath at walmart. they have businesses to grow customers to care for lives to get home to they use stamps.com print discounted postage for any letter any package any time right from your computer

coming at an interesting time for steve bannon as he's trying to regain favor in trump world. >> rick gatesding off sentencing on gates until after he testifies. so he may have more relevant things to say. jeff sessions announcing he's going to run for his old senate seat a year to the dayish he was fired from his white house appointment. >> he was a disaster, he's an embarrassment to the state of alabama, the president said. >> just exactly. he's gone after him. is he going to do it again? >> well, clearly h ll lly his ak he is so upset about this that they're telling jeff sessions don't do this because he's been raving that he still hates jeff sessions, essentially. it's not water under the bridge. i still think it's an open question how much does the president want to regain that senate seat? i think he really does care about whether or not he holds onto senate seats. if jeff sessions is the only path forward to taking that seat away from doug jones, the democratic senator, then maybe donald trump will put it aside for now. but there's also the prospect that sessions will have a primary