rick gillespie, international group of historic aircraft recovery. mary schiavo, former transportation department inspector general. also joining us in a little bit will be jeffrey thomas, ceo of airlinesratings.com. a statement a short time ago saying chinese reports can no be verified. what do you make of that -- mike, i want to look at, as we talk about that, can you put that map up? because the map shows where they found supposedly this pulse signal. it shows the planned search area and the previous search area. there's no overlap. >> no, there isn't. i think the point you made from the -- >> this new map was just released. go ahead. >> yeah. cannot be verified at this point. we need to be cautious art looking too much into what that statement actually means and coming to a conclusion of whether the air chief marshal is going to go and corroborate that or just going to go and leave it. i think that's a dangerous assumption to make. what has happened is that this information has put the air chief marshal houston in a very difficult position. becau

let's go to rick gillespie now. he joins us now. it's a new day in perth. mr. gillespie.opportunity to find this plane. how can search teams use this information from the chinese? and they should. >> it's very frustrating. lead after lead, may be wreckage, turns out to be trash. may be pings. doesn't make sense for this ship to hear pings from what i understand. this is grasping at straws. i think there needs to be some reassessment here of what information has led us to this area and these assumptions that we've made. there's something wrong. >> les, let's get a viewer question in here for you. this viewer's name is alex. he says since technology is so new, how can they be so sure about the handshakes with 370? i feel it's not perfected. >> actually i had the opportunity to speak with one of the inmarsat people last night because i kind of doubted the technology. but the technology is not new. it's old technology. we've been using it for years. it's just the calculation that was utilized and through his explanation, without getting into it, they did some pretty thorough

rick gillespie is here. les, start with you. these pings outside the specified search area. is this a case of china playing by their own rules and they may know something they're not telling us or something that we don't know? >> possibly. but what is the end game? let's make that water under the bridge. let's move forward and see what the situation is with what they found. >> what would the end game be? >> it is to find those black boxes. >> i wonder why would china be doing these things on their own? allan diehl, what do you make of this? >> well, they may have just looked in the right part of the hay stack. clearly there is a problem when you're trying to run a coordinated effort if you've got elements going rogue. you may have double coverage in one area and no coverage in another. if they found black boxes, they'll be the most famous chinese people since the guy in tiananmen square. >> there is something to be said about coordination though. and you heard angus houston last night saying, listen, i understand there are journ