. >> good evening, rick gladstone. this is not an adversarial hearing, so i wonder if we need to have the three-minutes rule apply, just as a question of the point of order. president peterson: why do you not just start? >> thank you. there are many who do not do this as well, and staff has thought through it really well, but a couple of comments and questions. if you're going to create a section about it, i think it should say that a site visit should be one where both parties are given notice of it and a chance to be there, not necessarily at the same time, but both would have a chance to show their location to the commissioner, whether it is the same moment, i do not know. it may not be good. that does not work out too well. second, note -- commissioner hwang: sometimes, a party has not visited the site. sometimes they are not always allowed by the project sponsor. >> i did not mean that they be allowed on the project sponsors sides. what i mean is that the appellate be allowed to share their side or talk on the str