joining me now, on the phone is rick grenell, one of longest serving spokesmen for united nations ambassadors, diplomat himself, rick, your reaction to these events this evening. and all together clear, unclear, whether this might have been a revenge attack for the attack three weeks ago. >> yeah we do not know the motive. but we know whoever did this, is a radical, this is not someone who is sane, they are radicalized in some way. it could be religious radicalization, it could be nonreligious. but we know that someone who did this, designed this to te to -- terrorize society, we need to figure out the motive, only way to combat terrorism is to know the motive and go afters motive. i think that we made a big step in focuses on motive when esid trump went to saudi aria, andas able to go right after in fronts of the gcc, go after this idea of the motive, and turning it arounding and saying, so much of the islamic terrorist, islamists that we've seen, manipulate the islam, we have seen that them say, they believe that they are going to rewarded with a heavenly reward for doing this. what our pre

former spokes person to the u.n., and rick grenell.his is the mayor of london actually referring to moderate muslims as uncle tom's. really? >> you can't pick and choose who you speak to. you can't speak to uncle tom's, who will say what you want to hear. i can assure you, it's a hard time speaking to ordinary british citizens and nearly all of them are critical friends. >> sean: doesn't that reveal how he really thinks rather than whatever apology you gave out later? >> yes, usually they say whatever comes out of the mouth first -- that's what's really going on in the mind. his true colors are shining. this latest attack, it shined a light on his real character and his true colors and how he is doing as a mayor. in people's trust in him. this is a good wake-up call for the londoners that voted for him in the first place. >> sean: oh, this is our new way of life. after the attacks where people are killed and stabbed and injured, well, london is safe. just ridiculous. rick, you have this piers morgan. it just made him look so stupid. th

i think that is a serious problem we have, that is the next step that must be fixd. >> rick grenell on the phone thank you so much, there is a lot that democrats and republicans cannot agree upon, but one thing we should all agree upon, this terrorism has to end or whatever is behind this tonight. let me tell you what we know, it happened 12:20, a.m. in london. we know that worshippers were coming out of a mosque in north london, when a van drove into a crowd of people. one person was arrested. we're hearing there were several casualties, injuries, we don't have a number. one interesting thing we were listen toking sky news -- listening to sky news, a witness said they saw a person jump out of that vehicle, with a expwiefe and stab another person, this is attributed to witnesses and reports there in london. this is similar to what we saw on london bridge, three weeks ago, when 3 guys in a van, plowing into people, jumping out and stabbing, killing 8 people. going to sky news, see what is happening. >>from the.reporter: from the bg tell us what you saw. >> crazy. you should not see on r

. >> sandra: for more i'm here with rick grenell, former spokesman to the u.s. u.n. rick, thank you for joining us. both sides must work together. he said. will they? >> i like to hear that we are going to have talks and that diplomacy is going to carry the day. look, i think what we have under the donald trump administration. it is a new day. we have a credible threat of military action, emphasis on the credible, and we have seen that in the willingness of donald trump to go after with an f18. drove to the syrian planes who are threatening our allies who are trying to defeat isis. remember that the u.s. security interests inside syria is only to defeat isis at this point. we need to wrestle the idea of what the u.s. policy is towards assad. in the last administration, day articulated u.s. policy that assad should go, but nothing was done to make him go. we are in this limbo. where the top administration is going to have to figure out exactly what our policy is towards assad, and we are going after work very digital and cheat with diplomacy backed up by credible

. >> julie: i am joined now by rick grenell, former advisor to the ambassador of the u.n.ontributor. the question is, what will the consequences be? >> i agree with the previous speaker and the assistant secretary, that china has to do more. a moral argument to china is not going to cut it, that has been the problem. channel does a $2.5 billion in trade with the north koreans. that is 90% of the north koreans economy. this is a serious situation, we need to do what the top two diplomatic maneuvers are, which are sanctioned -- either oil or banking sanctions. banking sanctions will get china's attention immediately. we don't need to make a moral argument, we need to tell china that if they don't start changing the behavior inside north korea, we are going to implement banking sanctions, that will get their attention pretty fast. the other thing we can do is make sure that all u.s. tax dollars that are being spent on a foreign aid like two african countries and to other countries, you cannot accept foreign aid from the united states and do business with north korea. that sho