geoff: rick hasen is the director of the ucla law school's safeguarding democracy project. ks so much for your insights. rick: thank you. geoff: one third of pakistan remains underwater, more than a week after the deadliest floods that country has ever seen. on a visit to the country this past friday, the u.n. secretary general appealed to the international community to provide massive support. that includes a $160 million fundraising effort the u.n. launched two weeks ago. my colleague ali rogin spoke with somini sengupta, international climate correspondent and anchor of the new york times' “climate forward” newsletter, about the extent of the destruction. ali: somini sengupta, thank you so much for joining us. the flooding in pakistan is unlike anything the country has ever seen. some of its leaders have called it apocalyptic. pakistan also experienced devastating floods in 2010, but experts say this disaster is far worse. how are these communities dealing with the destruction? and also, what are the differences between what we're seeing now and what pakistan experienced

. >> rick hasen is director of the safeguarding democracy project. he joins me now. hing wrong there -- as it's a very technical and complicated case. the theories kind of bizarre. so, please correct me if i misstated anything. >> no, i think you basically stated the right thing. i would just say that even some of the more extreme versions of the independence day legislatures dairy would not support what john eastman was trying to do, which is to say, even after the legislature had chosen, we are going to have a popular vote for president, you could take that back and started over. so, that is more extreme, and i didn't see any of the amicus briefs going quite that far. even john eastman's brief -- john eastman himself filed a brief on behalf of the clermont in suit constitutional center in this case as well. >> okay. that's important. the eastman theory was out past even the realm of this sort of radical position here. but it would -- if enough of the court worked to side with the north carolina republicans here and with leonard leo's group, what would the applicatio