rick kirkland is the senior managing editor at mckenzie and formerly of "fortune 500" and an old friend. it was a year, year and a half ago before dr. summers left the administration, mckenzie hosted an event at the ritz-carlton and hosted by larry, and there was an article held up looking at trade and what was different, and what had we learned that we had not thought about before. i heard larry summers give one of the most and he seemed to be thinking out loud without worry about the political repercussions about what he might be saying and it is one of the most extraordinary meetings, because he was exploring questions about do we need to be there in how to fit the national objectives and so, also, he spoke recently in a conference sponsored by the conference of new institute thinking and martin wolf the financial times interviewed him and another thinking out loud moment, and when you spend time with larry summers you get someone who has not only thought about policies, but engaging people who have thought in other ways which is different from the larry summers that we have often go

. >> first of all, rick kirkland is the senior managing energy at mckinsey and former editor of "fortune" magazine and a old friend. i guess it was a year, year and a half ago before dr. summers had left the administration mckinsey hosted an event at the ritz-carlton and larry spoke at it and it was joint with the harvard business review and there was an article that was held up looking at trade and what -- what was different -- what did we learn, what had we learned that we hadn't thought about before, and i heard larry summers give one of the most -- he seemed to be thinking out loud without worry before the political repercussions of what he was saying and it was -- i'm surprised there wasn't huge press coverage after it because he was exploring questions about do we need to begin thinking about multiple national corporations and how national objectives -- it was very interesting. larry is like -- also he spoke recently at a conference sponsored by the institute for new economic thinking and martin wolf of the financial times interviewed him and it was again thinking out loud moment a