"rick" macarthur has been as ferocious a champion of democracy and journalism as any of those illustrious bylines that have appeared in its pages. i've never known him to pull his punches, whether he's writing in harper's, or in his newspaper columns, or in such books as "the selling of free trade," an expose of bipartisan collusion to enact nafta, the north american free trade agreement, and this one, "the outrageous barriers to democracy in america." macarthur's fierce arrows of outrage are aimed at both political parties, but recently he's been especially incensed by democrats for abandoning their progressive roots to serve wall street, k street, and crony capitalists. rick macarthur, welcome. >> thank you for having me, bill. >> you have opposed these so-called free trade agreements for as long as i have known you. why isn't anyone listening? >> well, because the big money doesn't want them to listen and the editorial pages of most american newspapers are pro-free trade, quote, unquote. they don't know or they don't pay attention to what the costs are. obama himself, in the 2008 campa

and here in new york is john "rick" macarthur is the publisher of harper's magazine.the magazine became one of the first u.s. publications to reprint the danish cartoons of the prophet mohammed that sparked international protests. we begin with tariq ramadan. can you respond to what has taken place? the attack on the magazine and what has ensued over these last hours? >> thank you first, for giving me the time to respond to what we're listening to. i think we have to condemn what has happened and nothing can justify what happened in the killing of the cartoonists another police officer in france. what is important for us is to make it clear we stand by our principles. and while i was debating the journalists in france about the cartoons and the way they were coming to controversy about the prophet, i made it clear from the beginning this is your freedom to do so. i don't think it is good, i don't think it is an intelligent and decent way to do with freedom of expression, but you need to be protected as to your right to do it. and i said to the muslims, in the states a

. >> joining me now is rick macarthur, publisher of harper's magazine one of the very few media outletssh danish cartoons of the prophet mohammed. rick, let me start with you first. you made that decision eight years ago. would you decided to to publishing charlie hebdo's images. >> in the context of eight years ago was to ask art smeegleman of the holocaust and auschwitz, to review the images like an art critic, a cartoon critic. within the essay, he included other caricatures, including anti-semitic cartoons. there was a contest sponsored in iraq and israel of anti-semitic characters. he also reviewed. he thought they were dull. he was very disappointed by the danish cartoons in his review. what he said very clearly and very forcefully, and which i agree with today was, i believe that open discourse, ultimately serves understanding. repressing images gives him too much power. it is not going to help the situation. it is only going to make it worse. i agree with that. >> the question of repression is one of the main paths of discussions for this. the other is security which is we are g