joining me now is rick pearlstein, historian and author of "nixonland" something you should read.are not going to respond to memos allegedly writing more than 40 years ago, however, if mr. ailes had the idea for fox news nearly half a century ago he would have beaten cnbc and msnbc sooner from the trash talk. what surprised you about the newly released documents? >> nothing much, chris, i have to say. this document i think, written by chuck colson, we're talking about roger ailes. might as well talk 5g about colson. a prominent figure in the religious right now. this sort of thinking about how to manipulate and manage the public has been going on on kind of the poluto crecratic, makings and distributing them to nome newspapers but churches and schools. i mean, it's really astonishing that a movement that's supposedly based for the free market simply understands they can't possibly compete in the market for ideas and have to fix it. >> i first came across the story at how roger ailes and richard nixon met in your book, in "nixonland." a great story. how did they first encounter eac