rick perfecty came into the race with six of them -- perry came into the race with six of them. they're consolidating into one. michelle bachmann has two right now. obama has two right now. but they're coordinated. gwen: we should say obama partisans and bachmann partisans and perry partisans. >> it's either friends of these particular candidates. even ron paul's friends have started one. with a name that i actually think is wonderful. it's the revolution pac. and that's perfect for the ron paul crew. >> how do these republicans fundraising compare to the president's? we've seen -- he's taken such a political beating in the past couple of months and yet you see his schedule, and he's got a lot of time on there for going out and having dinner at the homes of wealthy don yorks. -- donors. >> the white house knows from everything you've spoken about, they are in for a race. they knew they were in for a race anyway and incumbents get challenged because they have a record. and it's just a tougher re-election -- re-election is tougher. but it's made all the worse because of the econom