energy secretary rick perry. about a week ago the "associated press" had what i think was an underappreciated bombshell, underappreciated big scoop about trump energy secretary rick perry. and what the "associated press" disclosed about rick perry was somewhere in the venn diagram between sad and embarrassing and enraging in terms of what we are going to have to live down for the rest of our lives about how this administration has behaved on the world stage when they had the reigns of power. it's going to take a long time to undo the way we are viewed around the world. when the people of ukraine elected themselves a young, new outsider reformist president earlier this year and the inauguration for that new young president was scheduled for may, we now know thanks to the white house releasing notes from the first congratulatory phone call from president trump to that new president. we now know that that new president in ukraine, volodymyr zelensky explicitly and somewhat insistently told president trump that he re

rick perry went instead. and what did rick perry do while he was there? honestly, it sort of brings it home. my god, what must the ukrainians think of us? we've been so condescending and patronizing and pushy with them about how corrupt they are, right? when it comes to just the inauguration of their new president who ran on an almost purely anti-corruption campaign, when it comes to the inauguration of their new anti-corruption president, i mean, in "the new york times" today, there's this story about how the ukrainian government was threatened that the vice president of the united states wouldn't come to that inauguration unless he could -- unless the new government could satisfy these guys, lev and igor, that ukraine would help try to get trump re-elected by cooking up some fake investigation into joe biden. when vice president pence, indeed, canceled his trip to that inaugural, ukraine instead gets rick perry who, according to the "a.p." today basically brought his own u-haul full of grift to that first date. "two political supporters of u.s. energy s

all except for rick perry. instead, rick recounted, per i patients' bill of rights perry only wrote one note. it was when rick santorum told about the health difficulties his beloved daughter bella faced from her birth. following the debate, rick said he -- the two men spoke and rick said he looked over perry's shoulder at the single note written. it had three words. pray for bella. that, mr. speaker, is a man of faith, compassion, and integrity. it speaks to his character, it speaks to his effectiveness, it speaks to his dedication to public service and to his love of this great country. i for one am grateful for having served under governor perry in the state house for four years and with secretary perry in the department of energy. the great state of texas and our nation are better for his service. as rick perry moves away from public life, his leadership will be missed but the legacy he leaves behind will endure. thank you, my friend, for all you've done, governor perry. anita. thank you for loaning texas an

and why rick perry believes donald trump was sent by god as the, quote, chosen one. woor wa we're waiting to hear the outcome of two cases that could have a profound effect on the impeachment inquiry of president trump. a federal judge are is supposed to rule on absolute immunity. don mcgahn was called to testify back in the spring but refused to appear on orders by the white house leaving house committee members staring at an empty chair. and the other case, justices are weighing whether to side with the president other than his taxes. president trump is appealing a lower court ruling that the house has a right to see financial records prepared for the president by an accounting firm. of course we'll bring you more on the decisions as soon as they are handed down. and possible new evidence of a coverup involving mick mulvaney and the president's decision to withhold nearly $400 million in aid from ukraine. the "washington post" the reports that mulvaney was actively talking with office of budget and the management officials about finding any legal justifications for

considered a corrupt country, and i wanted to know why nearby i would love to have mike pompeo, rick perry, mick mulvaney and many others testify about the phony impeachment hoax. it is a democrat scam that is going nowhere but, future presidents should in no way be compromised. what has happened to me should never happen to another president!"

rick perry said this guy is a supporter in miami. and then he gets an official government contract with the ukrainian government. >> right. and according to perry's office, he was promoting american business not anyone in particular and had no role in that contract awarding. >> we should say that perry -- perry, we know, was very involved in ukraine policy. that's not contested. he has denied he played any specific role in enunciating the terms of what we see. i want to just play his denial of that. take a listen. >> not once, as god as my witness, not once was a biden name not the former vice president, not his son ever mentioned. if corruption was talked about in the country, but it was always a relatively vague term of the oligarchs and this and that and what have you. but i'm quite comfortable. i mean, as a matter of fact, i'm extremely comfortable that not did the president of the united states or any of his administration or his team ever talk about with the intent of there was some quid pro quo. >> that may be not -- that was o

>> so i have very strong doubts about whether rick perry will ever testify. he can definitely argue. in other words, not only does he not have to answer questions, but he doesn't have to show up. even if he shows up, there are questions or subject matters he's not going to talk about. i watched the segment with shachblt heshan. he's a very good lawyer. impeachment is a combination of law and politics. legally the house can do it however they want to do it. it's totally up to the house. as a political matter, rick perry can also decide he's not going to participate except under certain conditions and that's the message he's sending here, that maybe i'll show up, but the conditions have to be those that i set. >> john, i want to ask you about a "washington post" article this morning saying a number of gop senators are considering acknowledgement, the acknowledgement of president trump's quid pro quo, but saying it's not illegal. what is your reaction to that? >> i mean i think it's clearly something members have talked about in the house and senate. right now i

what does rick perry know about the ukraine extortion plot? one is what was rick perry doing helping to land a lucrative deal? according to a wild new report, quote, ukraine awarded the contract to perry's supporters a little more than a month after the energy secondary attended the inauguration. the only competing bidder offered more than $60 million for the first phase of the protect compared with $53 million, that would be less from perry's supporters. how much more weight this adds to perry's role in the impeachment scandal. all right. so we know that perry goes and he's part of the official delegation in may to the inauguration and he meets with him and it's established by everyone that they talk energy policy, right? >> yeah. that's right. i mean, it is a strange thing. he's the top representative for the trump administration at the inauguration, but he takes the time to meet with zelinski and hand him a list of people he thinks should be american advisers on energy policy. >> including people that he thinks should be on the board of the

secretary of energy rick perry.department spokesperson perry will not testify behind closed doors. on thursday, the most anticipated of the week and that's john bolten, the former national security adviser whose name has emerged repeatedly. bolten's lawyer who shares with another individual who has not shown up has said he is not willing to appear voluntarily. our panel is back to discuss this. joyce, this is that question, as we look at those, rick perry as well as john bolten. we heard from representative out in connect that they may have issued, he said on fox news today, they may have issued a subpoena for him. he says i will wait until i get a ruling from a federal judge. is that where we are at? many are just waiting for the one ruling. >> reporter: i think we're in a very uncomfortable place for the rule of law because there is a federal statute that makes it a crime for someone who had been subpoenaed by congress to not show up. and that's what we're seeing a number of witnesses doing. yes, they have the exc

effect, that it was rudy giuliani who was deputized and under giuliani, you had gordon sondland, rick perry, kurt volker, all working with this shadow foreign policy in ukraine to get the ukrainian officials to open investigations that would be politically beneficial to president trump. >> and in fact we're just hearing from our producer, frank, on the hill with you, that those transcripts could be released any time now, so people can stand by for those. phil, let's talk about mick mulvaney. it's been a rough few weeks for him at the white house. now he's waving off a subpoena. on the one hand, maybe that's one way to get back in the president's good graces. on the other hand, we're hearing he was told to ignore it.

i was talking to rick perry about it. i was talking to the secretary of state about it. was talking to mick mulvaney, the chief of staff, about it. and he brought everyone into the alleged conspiracy about what they were doing leading up to that phone call. and i think he did a lot to damage his own credibility in the process. i think it seemed he was going out of his way to make it clear, that he could not rely on his own memory for a lot of the information, which made him a frustrating witness. but on the key points, he was pretty clear this was something that he believed everybody agreed upon. and it wasn't until later on that he realized that it was also -- that it also included the bidens, which is when he realized that allegedly, he realized this was something that would be inappropriate. >> elie, you're a former prosecutor. have you ever had someone on the stand admit so much in a short period of time. yes, it happened. yes, i was ordered to do it. yes, everyone knew about it. that seems like a lot. you can answer that question as a yes or no. >> no. not that much

and rick perry. you have an email chain now and you go back to his closed door testimony where he said on the record he barely communicated with mulvaney. that he had seen him a couple of times at the white house. they waved at each other. and that was it. there was no communication regarding ukraine. in fact, we know that there was a lot of communication regarding ukraine. and then go back to his testimony that he didn't know that the bidens were involved in all of this investigation that the president was asking for. now we know from bill taylor's aide in that conversation that was so loud people around heard the president talk specifically about this investigation and then afterwards when the aide asked sondland what does the president think about ukraine, he said all he cares about is this biden investigation. so there's a lot to answer for for him. and i'm sure the president will be just as focused as we all are on wednesday. >> let me read "the wall street journal" reporting. because it was rev

lavish praise on his way out the trump administration door from energy secretary rick perry.ake a listen to this. >> mr. president, i know there are people that say, you know, you said you were the chosen one. and i said you were. >> but the thing is he's not the only one saying that sort of thing. how republicans are amping up their devotion to president trump, next. what's the nfl's competitive edge? it's the sleep number 360 smart bed on sale now. can it help me fall asleep faster? yes, by gently warming your feet. can it help keep me asleep? absolutely, it intelligently senses your movements and automatically adjusts to keep you effortlessly comfortable. will it help me raise my game? yup! so, you can really promise better sleep? not promise, prove. so i can be my best for these guys? yes, and those guys. sleep number. this is not a bed it's proven quality sleep. little things can be a big deal. psoriasis, that's why there's otezla. otezla is not a cream. it's a pill that treats plaque psoriasis differently. with otezla, 75% clearer skin is achievable. don't use if you're

signal that major players such as former national security adviser john bolton and energy secretary rick perry will not be testifying this week either. at the same time, president trump and allies continuing to call for the public outing of the ukraine call whistleblower. lawyers for the whistleblower says their client is willing to answer written questions from republicans. the law is designed to protect the identity of whistleblowers. >> the president said written answers is not enough even though he submitted written answers in the mueller probe. it was good enough then. "the washington post" reports some republicans in the senate are on the brink of publicly admitting there was a ukraine quid pro quo. that directly contradicts what the president has been saying. here's the thing be the republicans are ready to argue they don't view that as illegal or impeachable. joining us suszanne malveaux. what white house officials are expected to show up today? anyone? >> nobody. nobody is expected to show up at this point, poppy and jim. it was supposed to be a full day, full docket. the four white h

now to part two of my interview with rick perry.on never becoming president, calling for the elimination of numerous agencies as a gop candidate, including energy -- >> he now runs -- and the new book by anonymous senior trump official. >> none of us got here by accident. i'm a big believer that the god of our universe is still very active in the details of the day-to-day lives of government. you know, barack obama doesn't get to be the president of the united states without being ordained by god. neither did donald trump. ed: that's what some trump supporters say. you believe that. >> well, i -- ed: at this moment. >> i happen to believe that god's used, you know, individuals who aren't perfect all through history. donald trump's not perfect. and i think the christian teachings and the christians that are around him in his cabinet and in his life are very important. and i hope i've been a bit of a minister, if you will, a person who's been able to share my faith with the president. and in turn, that's been able to make a difference

so we might see rick perry on our television sets in an open hearing sooner than we think. like with rick perry it's important to know we don't know if many of these witnesses will actually appear for their closed door depositions. if precedent holds most of them will, but nothing is guaranteed with this administration. last night intelligence committee chairman adam schiff said the committees will start releasing the transcripts of all these closed door depositions, depositions from diplomats, military advisers and foreign policy experts that have yielded blockbuster evidence of a quid pro quo. >> one of the aspects of the resolution that we passed today authorizes me to begin releasing transcripts. and i would expect that process will begin as early as next week. >> now, as i mentioned later this month house democrats plan to take the impeachment investigation public. but even before the public hearings take place it seems that the investigation has already started putting a dent in president trump's poll numbers among republicans. a new "the washington post" abc news pol

the president tweeting "i would love to have mike pompeo, rick perry, mick mulvaney, and many others testify about the phony impeachment hoax future presidents should in no way be compromised. and today pompeo was asked whether he is considering testifying. >> when the time is right, all good things happen >> i think mike pompeo would be a critical person to hear from right away, and then rick perry. >> reporter: and tonight president trump ignored shouted questions about the intensifying probe >> are you going to testify? >> reporter: but joked about the impeachment investigation during that white house tradition of pardoning turkeys. >> they've already received subpoenas to appear in adam schiff's basement on thursday >> reporter: meanwhile, tonight in newly revealed transcripts, omb official mark sandy testified that two budget officials left their jobs, at least in part over concerns about the freeze in ukraine military aid lester >> kristen welker, at the white house, thank you. >>> there is an urgent search for survivors after a powerful 6.4 magnitude earthquake rocked albania

among them rick perry. as you mentioned, he has found himself in the center of this ukraine controversy somewhat unwittingly. the department of energy says that he won't appear. they call this a secret star chamber inquisition. they say he won't appear unless these depositions take place in public. john bolton also seemingly unlikely to appear. his lawyer was in court this week on behalf of another former white house official saying that they need a judge to rule about whether he can comply with these kw requests, fred. >> okay, so let's talk about strategy. the president has seemingly one strategy. the white house another. and it's -- you know, republicans are saying they would like a strategy. so talk to me about how these are so incongruent because the president will say one thing and the gop think they should be taking a different direction. how challenging is this for all players? >> the president's allies in the white house and outside of the white house have been advocating for this entire month-long

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how much do you want to bet rick perry came up with that name.street adjourn says an invitation to testify has gone out. they want him to testify next week. secretary perry's chief of staff has also been called in for testimony, but in his case it is not a request, it is a subpoena, a spokes person for secretary perry says he will not testify in closed session but he might consider showing up for a public hearing with his lawyer, that may not be all his choice honestly, but we'll see. this call for energy secretary perry to testify is just the latest sign that the impeachment proceedings are closest to the president and that has interesting consequences for what happens next. that story is next, stay with us. next. that story is next, stay with us ♪upbeat musieverything was so fresh in the beginning. [sniff] ♪ dramatic music♪ but that plug quickly faded. ♪upbeat music luckily there's febreze plug. it cleans away odors and freshens for 1200 hours. [deep inhale] breathe happy with febreze plug. hi. maria ramirez! mom! maria! maria ramirez... mcdona

rick perry who is in the energy department as secretary. this is at the highest level of government people are at least complicit in knowing this if they were not participating in this. these transcripts are going to make clear to the public in more detail for the first time just how deep into this government rudy giuliani's tentacles went at the direction of president trump. >> but it goes beyond the politics, really. there is possibly a legal violation here. you can see the ambassador, right, is in charge of a policy which is to fight corruption. we know that she was there for several years overseeing this public policy that the united states has. if somebody is running an operation essentially to retaliate against her for rooting out corruption and trying to root out corruption, there are u.s. laws that apply there, and whoever was part of that, if it's ambassador sondland, if it's ambassador volker, if it's mike pompeo, rick perry, whoever was doing that, there are u.s. laws that apply and very much so. i think that's why her testimony

i do think that rick perry is expressing a sentiment that's fairly common among some of the president's strongest supporters in his base. >> jeff mason, another moment this weekend. again, it gets to gop being the party of trump. john kennedy defending a baseless conspiracy theory regarding 2016 election interference. i'll play that and take a listen. >> who do you believe was responsible for hacking the dnc and clinton campaign emails? was it russia or ukraine? >> i don't know. nor do you, nor do any of us. >> the entire intelligence community says it was russia. >> right, but it could also be ukraine. >> russia tried to interfere in 2016. also, ukrainians themselves tried to interfere also. >> there's nothing to back that up. jeff mason, in the simplest terms, why are senators, smart ones seemingly willing to proffer what we know is russian propaganda? >> it's a great question, jim. it's hard to answer. it's clear that they're willing to dismiss the intelligence. chris wallace was spot on when he responded to the senator saying that all of the u.s. intelligence agencies believe it was

things happen >> i think mike pompeo would be a critical person to hear from right away and then rick perry >> reporter: and president trump ignored shouted questions about the intensifying probe >> are you going to testify? >> reporter: but joked about the impeachment investigation during that white house tradition of pardoning turkeys. >> they've already received subpoenas to appear dam schiff's basement on thursday. >> reporter: former national security adviser john bolton says bolton won't testify without a subpoena meanwhile bolton putting out a mysterious tweet saying our country's commitment to national security is under attack from within >> thank you >>> the day before thanksgiving the cdc has announced an additional 27 people have been sickened from the multistate outbreak of e. coli in romaine lettuce, bringing the total number of cases to 67 in 19 states last week the agency issued a warning to consumers not to eat romaine lettuce grown in salinas, california after at least 40 people became ill the fda is still investigating the exact source of the contamination but say it's the

delegation which was led by energy secretary rick perry. the u.s. delegation also included senator johnson, ukraine's session envoy volker and lieutenant colonel alex vindman, the national security council.rati was not my first four days after assuming my post as ambassador in july of 2018, i received an official delegation from the government of then ukraine, the meeting took place at the mission of brussels and prearranged by career eu missions staff and i've had several meetings since then in brussels. later, in february of 2019, i worked well with u.s. ambassador marie yovanovitch in making my first official visit to ukraine where a u.s. navy visit to the strategic black seaport of odessa. the reason i raise these prior ukraine activities, the meetings in brussels, my visit to odessa, is to emphasize that ukraine has been a part of my portfolio since my time as an ambassador. any claim that i muscled my way into the relationship is simply false. on may 20th, the u.s. delegation developed a very positive view of the ukraine government. we were im

today trump tweeted, i would love to have mike pompeo, rick perry and mick mulvaney and many others testify about the phony impeachment hoax. but future presidents should in no way be compromised. in her ruling the judge asserted president trump does not have the authority to assert absolute immunity for white house staff saying the primary takeaway from the past 250 years of recorded american history is that presidents are not kings. as house democrats consider multiple articles of impeachment against the president, some are pushing to add obstruction of justice charges alluded to in robert mueller report as a separate article of impeachment. while mcgahn's testimony could move that needle for democrats the justice department is appealing the ruling so it could be sometime before mcgahn testifies, if he ever does. and it hasn't prompted other reluctant witnesses to come forward. like security adviser charles kupperman and john bolton. democrats are still hoping bolton will change his mind. >> if this is what he was -- described as saying, a drug deal, if rudy giuliani was a hand grenade, i

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former national security adviser john bolton and departing secretary of energy rick perry. the big question, will they show up? let's go to hans nichols first in new york. hans, good morning to you. there was mixed reaction when the nt entered the arena at madison square garden. what exactly happened? >> reporter: we don't know. like so much of the president's appearance here in new york, his presidency, it's controversial. there were enthusiastic boos, there were enthusiastic cheers. i think this will be debated about for some time. dana white, one of the ufc promoters, a big person in martial arts insisting, as well as the president's son insisting it was raucous and friendly. we did hear some boos as well. the president goes to events like this, not just to talk to the audience or be in front of the audience, but it's all the americans that follow this kind of sport. you look at the mixed martial arts demographic. that's the demographic the president needs to turn out at the polls and next november one year from now. now, before he came up here, we did get a little bit o

lavish praise on his way out the trump administration door from energy secretary rick perry.ake a listen to this. >> mr. president, i know there are people that say, you know -- you said you were the chosen one. and i said you were. >> but the thing is he's not the only one saying that sort of thing. how republicans are amping up their devotion to president trump, next. (people talking) for every dollar you spend at a small business, an average of 67 cents stays local. shop small and watch it add up. small business saturday by american express is november 30th. i am totally blind. and non-24 can make me show up too early... or too late. or make me feel like i'm not really "there." talk to your doctor, and call 844-234-2424. most people think of verizon as a reliable phone company. (woman) but to businesses, we're a reliable partner. we keep companies ready for what's next. (man) we weave security into their business. virtualize their operations. (woman) and build ai customer experiences. we also keep them ready for the next big opportunity. like 5g. almost all the fortune 500

mark esper there, rick perry. if the white house, if they can can't use absolute immune any to block the witnesses, which one of the folks would you want to hear from right away? >> i think mike pompeo would be a critical person to hear from right away, and then rick perry. beyond that, we want documents. we have not received one document from the white house, the department of defense or the state department. so we have built this whole case around kurt volker's whatsapp text that he turned over to the committee because he was using his personal phone. that's the basis on which we've been able to piece together what we have already which is pretty phenomenal when you look at it. >> i want to play something that your democratic colleague, congresswoman brenda lawrence said over the weekend from michigan. here is what she said. >> we are so close to an election, i will tell you, sitting here knowing how divided this country is, i don't see the value of taking him out of office. but i do see the value of putting dow

among them, energy secretary rick perry and mick mulvaney, who famously said this about trump's pressure campaign. >> we do that all the time, with foreign policy. i have news for everybody, get over it. there's going to be political influence in foreign policy. >> also released this weekend, a deposition from former top official, tim morrison. he told officials that sondland was operating at the request of the president. republicans trying to shift the blame for mounting trouble away from the president. >> those individuals who leaked this, this is all coming out into public has weakened that relationship. it exposed things that didn't need to be exposed. it would have been better off if this happened behind the scenes. funding would have been restored and the relationship with ukraine would be far better off than it is today. >> the president did not get the message that intimidating witnesses is a bad thing. after talking about marie testified. >> she testified privately that trump's request for investigation struck her as, quote, unusual and inappropriate. the president's latest atta

little bit disingenuous. >> what i think is also interesting is what president trump has said about rick perry past. he has said some unkind things. here's one example in 2015. president trump tweeted governor perry failed on the border. he should be forced to take an iq test before being allowed to enter the gop debate. has rick perry forgotten about that? >> well, i mean, look, i would say politics is politics. everybody's fighting in politics, particularly they're all trying to become the president, and so unfortunately that is a loss elimination game. it's not a team sport, and so once the thing is over, then you have to coe ago late around the leader if you will. i get all of that, but i think the lack of objectivity and lack of looking at the clinical wrongdoing of the president. last week, i watched that, i saw objective criminality coming from the office of the president. >> in the hearings. >> in the hearings. if we want to ignore that or pretend it didn't happen, john kennedy was trying to do that, and obviously he was overwhelmed with negativity. he had to come on chris's show last

the president is saying he would like to have people like don mcgahn, mike pompeo, rick perry testify has to preserve it for future presidents. so he's really wrapping himself up in the institution of the executive, the institution of the presidency, and that's why he doesn't quite come out and say that he's preventing them from testify. but let me read it to you. other than that, and the that being that i'm fighting for future presidents, i would actually like people to testify. he says don mcgahn is a respected attorney and has already said that he did nothing wrong. he says as it relates to john bolton, who has also asked the courts to weigh in, he says that john bolton could potentially testify that he withheld the aid to ukraine because he wanted to fight corruption. and then also suggesting that rick perry and mike pompeo and mick mulvaney could also potentially testify. but future presidents should in no way be compromised. so we've had the ruling from judge jackson, we know that the white house, at least the justice department is planning to appeal. as that percolates up the c

mulvaney and energy secretary rick perry. here is what he wrote in that email.quote, i talked to the president of ukraine just now. he is prepared to receive the president's call. will assure him that he intends to run a fully transparent investigation and will turn over every stone. mr. mulvaney responded i asked the national security council set it up for tomorrow. it's important to remember the military aid for ukraine is the big cudgel. he writes with that trump is surrounded. mulvaney is central in the whole thing because he's also been subpoenaed, because he tried to join a court case to rule whether he should come out there and seems to have in some ways the most direct exposure for people not named donald trump or rudy giuliani. >> there's one more reason why mulvaney is such an interesting figure here. it's that trump has been talking to aides, exploring the possibility of firing him. he's been asking whether mulvaney is really up to the job and can help weather this impeachment crisis. so trump has been told, you know, maybe this is not the right time,

busy tweeting about impeachment just this morning, writing that he would love to have mike pompeo, rick perry, mick mulvaney and many others testify in the inquiry, but the justice department is actively working to block former white house counsel don mcgahn from testifying for impeachment investigators. asking a judge to put a hold on her order calling for mcgahn to testify. her scathing rebuke of the administration's absolute immunity argument included the judge's writing presidents are not kings. but this legal standoff doesn't seem to be slowing things down for house democrats. >> how could this change house democrats' strategy? how could it change the timeline perhaps even moving forward? or does it? >> i don't think it does, actually. >> i think this is useful testimony to be have if we can have it. but we're not going to wait. we can't wait seven months to aju adjudicate these kinds of cases. >> a lot of developments to talk about as the president gets ready to head to florida for a campaign rally before spending the rest of the thanksgiving holiday at his mar-a-lago resort. joining me

only made that july 25th phone call that sparked this whole impeachment inquiry as the urge of the rick perry. perry in ant interview this week with fox news said he never heard the worse barisma, possibly code for bidens, come from rudy giuliani or the president, and perry insists there's no way that president trump will be convicted by the senate and removed from office. so, brooke, this is a small list that's just some of the key officials who could give that key testimony but refusing to testify. >> the word "could." thank you very much. and assistant former attorney general and a former u.s. attorney. harry, good to have you back. >> good to be here. >> impeachment. this is eight weeks old. heard publicly from 12 witnesses. one alexander vindman implicating the president, vice president, acting chief of staff and secretaries of energy angd state. sondland said he never heard those words directly from the president. then the people, harry, who have had direct contact with the president, as this ran through, refusing or being blocked from testifying. so where are we today. >> that's largel

so there are members rick perry for example paul volcker who have refused to appear but what we have is essentially members of either white house staff or u.s. foreign service who were still in the room and can give sufficient testimony one of dr hill's points today were counted in the 1st of 2 july 10th white house meetings in which song one simply expressed that there was a quid pro quo necessary this was a moment in which john bolton essentially excused himself from the meeting and expressed some pretty serious reservations about the policy making so even though some of the individuals that the white house had been most directly involved are not testifying people in the room have still been able to give enough evidence. how concerning is this to you. about what what this happening on the on the stage on the world stage the the image the integrity of the department of state that there have been career officials career diplomats who have been attacked personally by the white house sector say has not come to their defense and there have been members of congress that are trafficking i

>> well, rick perry who found himself in the middle of this controversy has asked to testify. e department of energy spokes person say that's is not happening and they say the secretary will not paration in secret -- perry says he would consider an open hearing where the democratic council will be president and that could happen sooner rather than later. under the ground rules this impeachment inquiry is entering another faze. this may include perry if democrats decide to go in that direction. he met with president zelensky three times. he is one key person in all of this described as one of the three amigos in the president's ukraine policy. he met with rudy giuliani, the president's personal attorney at trump's request to discuss ukraine matters. so he has a lot that the democrats want to hear from. he is part of a long roster of current officials they want to hear from next week. among them is robert blair, he is a senior advisor. there is a number of office of management and budget officials on their request list, and finally they want to near from john bolten next week. th

and rick perry a couple -- >> about the events in question. >> yes, about the events in question.all street journal" and we believe that that was a way to kind of get his side out so other witnesses could see that. so republicans are also leaking parts selectively of kurt volker's testimony in the days leading up to ambassador sondland's testimony. so we've seen efforts, even in the close hold that we've had to try get around that so people can tailor their testimony. that's what we want to protect against. >> ambassador sondland's testimony came with a remarkable addendum, that just yesterday he changed his story on one of the main questions at the heart of this. he came in and told you -- just tell me if i've got this right. as far as i can tell, he came in and told you a couple aweeks basically yeah, there was a quid pro quo in terms of there being a white house meeting for the new ukrainian president, that he wasn't going to get that unless they pursue these investigations. i didn't really know what the investigations were but yeah, that was the quid pro quo. when it comes to

it is not unusual, but it is dangerous. >> rick perry said this about other elected officials, he said're guided by a divine plan. he said more and more republicans are falling into line that the president is the chosen one. >> i'm so glad for moments like this that i'm not a christian because the whole theology is alien to me and you can just imagine what kind of politics have been justified this way. some of the people among the very worst. but look, the question you're ag is that we had a republican party that in the 1990s was busy denouncing bill clinton and his scandals in the language of the death of outrage and invoking christianity or at least invoking moral virtues as a way of scolding their political opponents. and it just is interesting to observe the speed with which the people who used to speak with the necessity of outrage and moral standards and moral character in government have suddenly discovered a new theology which justifies not only donald trump, but could virtually justify anyone in office. >> eddie, franklin graham, the son of billy graham, said last week that th

hear our interview with rick perry this hour. ♪ yousef: bloomberg sources said this week that saudi aramcoarned $68 billion in the first nine months of the year, cementing its position as the world's most profitable company. that came as a saudi news channel said the aisle -- the with sharesipo, trading on the local stock is strange. -- local stock exchange. >> this is something which has been on the minds of policymakers and investment bankers and investors around the world for around three years now. about this delayed once 12, 18 months ago, while aramco was doing the acquisition of a petrochemicals maker in saudi arabia. two weeks ago, we were expecting aramco was going to announce its intention to kick off this process. that got delayed as the government prepared these numbers you just mentioned, the $68 billion in profit. now finally, we are expected to see the government and the company announced their shale will begin onsale sunday. we are in a tree at -- we are in riydah where they have some of the world's biggest investors. there are meetings on the sidelines. aramco is the bigge

was happening with for aid to ukraine and one of those people is the outgoing energy secretary rick perry who spoke with ed henry and here is what he had to say. >> not once was the name burisma or the bidens mentions to me, not by the president or rudy giuliani or gordon sondland and if anyone is saying anything different they are surmising. >> reporter: that was one thing we heard from the white house, that they wanted to hear from people who had a chance to speak directly with the president, people like rick perry. nothing on the public schedule but he is expected to head to florida next week to kick off the thanksgiving holiday. leland: we will watch any news out of the white house. kristen: now that congress wrapped up schedule public hearing there are lingering questions of what will come next in the impeachment inquiry. to walk through all the possible next steps, garrett tenney. >> reporter: there are a lot of possible next steps but it is important to remember democrats want to wrap up the house side of the impeachment inquiry before the end of the year so there is a time crunch

this himself obviously affects him to see people in the same situation he was in just on you know rick perry. you have people come here they don't have jobs they don't speak german yet they don't have all the advantages that i huts so to help them out is just the way of me giving back and in return i guess a lot of gratitude and i learned a lot too since 2015 the ties that bind have gotten ever tighter between this old refugee and the new ones thanks to his commitment and out of thousands of other germans a quarter of the refugees who came then have since found a job. this is the news live from berlin coming up next doc film on the night the wall came down for more news and information visit our website e.w. dot com i'm told me a lot of balls thanks for watching. from the adventures of the famous naturalist and explorer. to some the british comics on the phone while its 251st day were embarking on a voyage of discovery. expedition voyage on t.w. .

rick perry, i know him very well.e a statement, great guy. rudy is a great crime fighter. rudy is the best mayor in the i history of new york city. rudy giuliani is a very legendary figure in our country. rudy was the u.s. attorney. he also worked at the justice department. believe me this kind of crap wouldn't have happened in the justice department if rudy. >> was the attorney general just like i believe bill barr will straighten it out and straighten it out for good but rudy giuliani was one of the great crime fighters of all time. he is a friend of mine. he is a great person, a iconic figure in this country. for two reasons he was the greatest mayor in the history of new york. he was the greatest crime fighter probably in the last 50 years. when you're dealing with a corrupt country if rudy giuliani, he has got credential as as youbecause of his reputation. when you hear rudy giuliani goes there, it means a lot. brian: the sources are indicted in jail. those are two of his sources. one of his other sources is look

wednesday lawmakers hope to see rick perry leaving the job at the end of the year.til it is an open hearing and even then he will only consider it. the acting omb director, republicans have grown increasingly frustrated at the closed-door process. representative liz cheney sent a letter to nancy pelosi last night saying selective leaking in which the house intelligence committee has been engaged must end immediately and the fool and complete record must be provided to the american people to see. lawmakers want to speak with former national security adviser john bolton. 's lawyers say he will not voluntarily appear and they are waiting on a subpoena. despite the fact the resolution vote on thursday didn't have a single republican year a the secret -- speaker of the house pelosi insist the impeachment inquiry is not partisan. >> no decision has been made to impeach the president or what the inquiry will produce but we have no choice but to pursue that because we take an oath of office to protect and defend the constitution of the united states. >> this isn't about the

leland: not only rick perry, john bolton hanging out there in terms of he will show up or not.arrett, thanks. >> fox news poll surprising numbers of voters on impeachment and a lot of topics, mar meredith here is break down the numbers for you, mark. >> good afternoon, kristin, new fox news poll shows half of the country feels president trump should be impeached and remove from office but the numbers are down slightly from early october, here are the polls, registered voters on thoughts, 49% said supported impeachment and removal from office, the number is down from 51% a few weeks ago, 4% say the house should impeach but the president should remain in office, 41% say trump should not be impeached. senior adviser kellyanne conway say the majority of voters do not support the house's efforts. >> this is not nancy pelosi pledged and promised, overwhelmingly bipartisan move toward impeachment supported by the public. >> president trump and house republicans have called the impeachment inquiry a witch hunt but a majority of voters fox checked with found to be valid inquiry. 52% fou

two state department political invoice who coordinated with rudy giuliani and energy secretary rick perry in some cases in ukraine. committee members have already raised questions about alleged discrepancy in the testimony of one of them, u.s. ambassador to the european union gordon sondland, a trump donor whose recollection conflict with the testimony of several veteran career diplomats, in particular former ukraine ambassador marie yovanovitch, told investigators sondland told her, to save her job, "you know, you need to go big or go home." joining us, kristen welker, geoff bennett, former democratic congressman steve israel, and former spokesperson for john boehner, michael steel. >> andrea, there's been no sign of these transcripts just yet. i'm told by my hours that house democrats are intentionally choreographing the release of these transcripts to help illustrate the public case they hope to bring against president trump. yesterday, as you mentioned, we got the transcripts of marie yovanovitch and michael mckinley. adam schiff said their testimony highlighted the contamination of a