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former texas governor rick perry weighs in. first to the white house, peter doocy with us live on the north lawn. hi, peter. >> martha, the oil project in alaska could yield about 180,000 barrels per day. but environmental activists don't want president biden to even consider it. >> what is more important to president biden? improving energy security or reducing fossil fuels? >> first of all, doesn't -- >> he said in 2019, i guarantee you we're going to end fossil fuels, this project would be dead, right? >> here's what i can say about that. the president did meet with the alaska delegation at the white house. he always appreciates speaking and meeting with the full delegation, understand what their concerns are. >> we don't know exactly what the president said to the alaska delegation but we know what they told him. that they're in unanimous agreement that they all support this willow project. >> this is a project that is good for jobs, good for american energy security and the other thing i pressed him on is, they talk a lot

rick perry showed this. he said it is a very good example. rick perry was going to save the party. i think it was the first debate. he crumbled. there's a difference between when you're in an interview and when you've got a press conference and press releases and he does deliver. president trump delivered. there's also though a difference in style. we saw the style work when it came to reforming the country. best economy in the world. dealing with the bad guys around the world. so that is an incredible achievement. i'm looking forward to everyone running, to see who can stand up to it. that's the test. who can keep this country from failing but also who can lift her back up to her rightful position? >> there's a difference when you have one microphone versus ten that you are screaming over. i think i know why desantis is counter punching. you can allow an opponent to define you. we see president trump beating desantis by 14 points. what this is is a major improvement from last month when they were tied. last month's tie, now leading by 14 points. the difference is trump has been pu

. -- rick perry in 2012, a big state governor, a lot of hoopla, a lot of people -- you read the national they're just trying desperately to invent something that is not there. and then you get out there and what do you got? the leap from running to governor to running to president is so vast, it is really unimaginable by most staff and most candidates. i think that is what you're seeing here. now he could have -- but i do not see any indication that he would. >> yeah, i've always seen desantis as a kind of love child of jeb bush and scott walker, but i guess rick perry is a good example. i don't know if we lost you there to a technical glitch, but he gave us some wisdom before we lost him. we have him back. juanita, what do you make of ron desantis's chances for president? do you see this man, who is already been dubbed meatball ron, ron sanctimonious, there is no bottom for trump. there is nothing that he will avoid in the scorched earth campaign. what chances have against donald trump? >> look, i still think he has a pretty good chance against trump because of the big possibility of tr

and rick perry was a great governor who was going to be president. tim pawlenty. so somebody's gonna shine, and somebody's gonna rise. i can't tell you who it's going to be. >> well, you just cited several governors who were in the lead and then flamed out early. desantis is in the lead, and donald trump has intensified his attacks around governor desantis, particularly this week. is it possible that desantis will face the same fate that many of these republican governors who have peaked early will face? >> well, it certainly is possible. >> do you think it's likely? >> you know, history tends to repeat itself. and i just gave you multiple examples of it. so it's possible. i think -- i just -- you know, desantis may prove himself and may do great, but i just think it's too early to be saying he's the anointed one. and i think he has yet to prove himself on the field. you know what i mean? can he handle himself in a debate? can he answer questions from the media that's not fox? you know, how does he do with meeting voters in new hampshire and iowa? i think that tim

i'm pretty sure rick perry was running under indictment in 2016 and it didn't hurt his campaign. the thing that crashed his campaign was not knowing what three agencies of the government were even though he was running. i don't think this is evidence of a banana republic or system failure. it shows it's working and if he did the crime, he has to do the time. host: mark, california, republican. caller: hello, can you hear me? host: we can, go ahead. caller: good morning. i don't know, i think about the past headlines in the winning streak of the democratic party going after trump. it was early on in the presidency when it was the rush of collusion and then there was stormy daniels and they said they had the proof there on a cd and they showed a blank cd on the news. the big headlines that usa news had today was impeached and not too much longer later, usa today said acquitted. the new york times, when trump went to north korea in the best they could do was print a picture for their front page of kim jong-un with the small of his hand on the small -- his hand on the small of donald

he was still under felony indictment in fact for the duration of his 2015 presidential campaign rick perry was under felony indictment that did not drop the felony indictments until a few months after he dropped out of the presidential race but he was so still no big whoop don trump went on to name a secretary of energy, for the united states, which is a fact that is still just as maze and to behold, as his mugshot is lovely. also stain in texas, do you remember tom delay? it is the majority leader of the republican party, in the u.s. house of representatives, he had to resign that job, to have this mugshot taken after a warrant was issued for his arrest in 2005. as most shots go though, it's kind of another nice one. not as nice as this one though this is former democratic vice presidential that nominee and democratic senator jon edwards. that's his mugshot from 2011. looking good, john edwards not looking as good this is dan rostenkowski, who's president ways and means in congress for 13 years, italy had to stop doing, that because it's time for him to stop in congressman, and start bein

remember president scott walker, president rick perry? there are a lot of great on paper candidates. i have no idea how great desantis might be as a candidate. we cannot evaluate it. i have a whole theory about why he might not run. to get into the ring with donald trump and survive the mud wrestling that is going to happen is going to take a lot of skill. after that if he can be donald trump, donald trump will say you rigged the election, the republican establishment is against me. it will be all out civil war on the republican side. he will say don't vote for this person. whoever the republican nominee is if it is not donald trump will have to be donald trump while beating the democrat. >> you have said what trump has done has changed how states are -- how campaigns are run across the country. >> it is a cult of imitators. it is a media campaign. in some ways, i remember in 2016i was trying to pitch my editor at the new york times a story on why this is not a total disaster. it could be seen if you contort yourself enough as some good t

remember the 2012 presidential debate stage where rick perry said he wanted to get rid of the departmentt's a long ways from when george w. bush pushed through no child left behind and advocated standardized tested. that was not popular with hard core conservatives. t you shift to today and this is where we're at where not just opposition to the common core, it's really being able to completely make that own choice and have the government give them money to do it. >> yeah and on the other side, you have brandy weingarten, and she was sounding the alarm at the national press club today. take a listen. >> our public schools shouldn't be pawns for politicians' ambitions. they shouldn't be defunded or destroyed by id logs. >> i wonder what you're hearing, greg, on the ground there? because we know what the political argument is but how many folks have you talked to? maybe they're parents, maybe they're teachers. maybe they're school officials, about what will happen to public schools if this passes? >> there are long standing concerns about inequities in schools all over georgia, but there's

i remember so many people talking about jeb bush, so many people talking about rick perry. so many people talking about mayor giuliani. all of whom did not do well under the bright lights. we don't know that yet about ron desantis, he's got the combativeness gene in him, but i don't know if he's got the combativeness to stand in the middle of a ring and slug it out with somebody like donald trump. we won't know until that happens. >> not doing well under the bright lights is putting it very nicely, with some of those folks that you just mentioned, if we think back to the 2015 2016 cycle. some of that stuff was cringe worthy and really hard to watch. matthew, as always, it's great to talk to, you sir. thank you. still ahead, everybody, president biden's address, marking 58 years since bloody sunday. plus, four months in -- the government is saying it is investigating. but there is a glaring problem with their promise. we will tell you why, next. ll youhy w, next ew. gotta get rid of this. ♪tell me why!♪ because it stinks. ♪have you tried♪ ♪new downy rinse and refresh?♪ it he

in fact, for the duration of his 2016 republican presidential campaign, rick perry was under felony indictment. they did not drop the felony charges against him until a few months after he had dropped out of the presidential race. but even still, no big whoop. donald trump went on to name him secretary of energy for the united states. which is a fact that is still just as amazing to behold as his mug shot is lovely. also staying in texas, do you remember tom delay? he was the majority leader of the republican party in the u.s. house of representatives. he had to resign that job to have this mug shot taken after a warrant was issued for his arrest in 2005. as mug shots go, though, it's kind of another nice one. not as nice as this one, though. this is former democratic vice presidential nominee and democratic senator john edwards. that's his mug shot from 2011, looking good, john edwards. not looking as good, this is dan, mr. rostenkowski. he was chairman of the ways and means committee in congress for three years, until he had to stop doing that, because it was time for him to stop being a con

he is afraid of this same thing for rick perry as well. get in the race.paign sadly embody employed as well. >> ainsley: was that in tampa. >> brian: don eden where the blue jays played. he wanted to go to the exact same field. the landscapers the crew got the field ready they face-timed his ad advance crew he said tell brian, that's the wrong field. we had to go back to his original field. they had to mow another lawn. he said i want to do it -- he has -- i want to field. >> ainsley: wants to be on the field where he grew up playing. >> brian: exactly on one nation we went into the little league office. kind enough we found the 1991 little league world series his team picture and the shot of him at bat five bats lying league series. goal was to beat taiwan they lost in the first round. >> lawrence: the nostalgia. gets recruited off that field to go yale, harvard law school to the army to the military navy and comes back and he is on pretty interesting trajectory. heck of a resume. >> lawrence: we will be watching. >> ainsley: that was a great piece. thank

2015 donald trump was less than 1 and jeff bush was the leader we were talking about scot walker, rick perryuld be the only ones we would hear from other people popped up i'm hopeful that some of the folks are going to - i mean that's why we have thes primaries. there's no coronation. everybody's got to get out there and leave it all on th field and let people know what they are about i think there's a whole host o potential people that could do a great job representing us. >> so, governor, we'll ask you to put your strategist hat o here you're republican party righ now, a huge percentage of it i captivated with the four eve to one particular candidate. and when it comes to candidates, you have probably a majority o mentioned kadary such far wh are captured by the fear o attack on a particular candidate. what do you feel about the people who actually vote >> right well i think as a cult o personality is not good for th party and it has been a bi part of our problem and th probably - positive news changing slowly. trump went from about 90% of support in the primary voter after january six it

is he the next rick perry? they were all going to be the next president.ed and remains under scrutiny. and scott walker is the guy who can't even remember a trivial pursuit game that is realistically how dangerous this last week was for ron desantis. he might be flipping fast. >> i don't know if you've been work shopping that, david jolly, but i just want you to know it is -- don't change a single thing about that last line here. molly, i only have about 60 seconds left, but i want to come back to this idea of ron desantis having had the hottest hands, right? the hottest political hand in town, and blinking, and still debasing himself by repeating in the republican attack line that all of this is politically motivated. >> look, these republicans are not trump are in a bad situation, right? trumpism doesn't scale, as kari lake, she is knocked up -- despite what she thinks. and you know, these people are in a bad situation. now, they put themselves in the situation, so i have no pity for anyone. but basically, you know, the idea that you could beat trump by

rick perry in 2012. michael bloomberg in 2020.irst place, you debut at a debate, and all of a sudden your campaign flames out. >> yeah. >> it's a whole other level of campaigning at the presidential level. it all depends on you, maybe you were a fantastic candidate at one level, it's how well you rise to that next level, and we have to see once the pressure is on once the flashlight is on you. >> i hope to have you back soon. missed you on the show. >> great to be back. >> thanks again. we will be right back. yes. what about five star dining sets? sorry i didn't have a reservation. you're kelly clarkson. i love your work. thank you. find just what you need at wayfair! even a personal sauna. oh! can we do the wayfair song? yes you can. wayfair! ♪ wayfair, you've got just what i need ♪ wow. it'd be better if you did it. (vo) businesses nationwide are switching to verizon business internet. (woman) it's a perfect fit for my small business. (vo) verizon has business internet solutions nationwide. (man) for our not-so-small business to

that just happened rick perry did in 2016 he can doctorate his entir republican presidentia campaign while under crimina indictment, which nobody remembers, because honestly th thing it messed up his chances at the white house as when h said whoops and who debate whe he couldn't remember which government agencies he wante to nominate. it wasn't the indictment that meant that made no impact on his political goals indicting politicians, and former politicians and candidates for office, is an american pastime by public corruption prosecutors at state and federal level it's a thing that happens al the time in his country, s much so that it is often borin when it happens. it's a one day story, or a two day story, or a weeklong story and by the time since a verdict, the light comes back around in the news again and then block. it doesn't break our system. for the members of the political class to faith legal accountability for alleged crimes it is, in fact, a cherishe part of our system that show you our system is working, w shows you that political power does not exclude you from th oblig

and the interesting thing about the rick perry tragedy is that the issue was about safeguarding and ithe school site mechanisms, the schools educational practise was excellent. so actually, we need to reflect that it does strike me that , yes, safeguarding is me that, yes, safeguarding is absolutely vital. but i really want if that is to be done in different way by an aged c that's a specialist in field . so that's a specialist in field. so i think that in outside , judging i think that in outside, judging from the framework , might be one from the framework, might be one thing, but let's come away from one word judgements not fair on teachers. not fair on schools . teachers. not fair on schools. and not fair on parents. because they seem to sue gray a alone. tony think most people are pretty minded when it comes to. well possibly your recommendations that you've just given there but also to the whole idea of how schools should be regulated by. my mother was 80 teacher and she said that these assessments cause great anxiety . there'd be such an anxiety. there'd be such an attention on

i'm pretty sure rick perry was running under indictment in 2016 and it didn't hurt his campaign.he thing that crashed his campaign was not knowing what three agencies of the government were even though he was running. i don't think this is evidence of a banana republic or system failure. it shows it's working and if he did the crime, he has to do the time. host: mark, california, republican. caller: hello, can you hear me? host: we can, go ahead. caller: good morning. i don't know, i think about the past headlines in the winning streak of the democratic party going after trump. it was early on in the presidency when it was the rush of collusion and then there was stormy daniels and they said they had the proof there on a cd and they showed a blank cd on the news. the big headlines that usa news had today was impeached and not too much longer later, usa today said acquitted. the new york times, when trump went to north korea in the best they could do was print a picture for their front page of kim jong-un with the small of his hand on the small -- his hand on the small of donald t

donald trump was at less than 1% and jeb bush was the leader and talking about scott walker and rick perryeful that some of the folks -- that's why we have the primaries. there's no coronation. everybody has to leave it on the field. there's a whole host of potential people to do a great job representing us. >> governor, put you strategist hat on. the republican party right now, a huge percentage is captivated with religious fervor to one particular candidate and coming to candidates you have probably a majority of mentioned candidates thus far who are captured by the fear of attacking the potential candidate. what do you do about the people who actually vote? >> right. i think there's a cult of personality is not good for the party and been a big part of problem. the positive news is it is changing slowly. trump went from 90% support and then after january 6, 60% and now 30-some percent. i was the only one speaking out for years but now many of the potential candidates and many other people in the party are starting to have the courage to talk about the truth and are willing to push back.

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remember president scott walker, president rick perry? there are a lot of great on paper candidates. i have no idea how great desantis might be as a candidate. we cannot evaluate it. i have a whole theory about why he might not run. to get into the ring with donald trump and survive the mud wrestling that is going to happen is going to take a lot of skill. after that if he can be donald trump, donald trump will say you rigged the election, the republican establishment is against me. it will be all out civil war on the republican side. he will say don't vote for this person. whoever the republican nominee is if it is not donald trump will have to be donald trump while beating the democrat. >> you have said what trump has done has changed how states are -- how campaigns are run across the country. >> it is a cult of imitators. it is a media campaign. in some ways, i remember in 2016i was trying to pitch my editor at the new york times a story on why this is not a total disaster. it could be seen if you contort yourself enough as some good t

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he says if problems get their way that seniors will see the programs/perry let's bring in rick scottis and at present medicare looks like it's going to go bankrupt in 2028. the president says let's keep it taxes and he would raise taxes on people making more than $400 $4,400,000 a year from 8% to match our present what do you say? $400,000 a year. >> i will make sure that we favor that we will do whatever we can. biden is a hypocrite here. first off when he was in the senate he proposed cutting medicare and social security veterans benefits medicate all of these things. last fall he cut $280 billion out of medicare. now he used a loophole i put up when he went into florida not to pay half a billion dollars worth or half million dollars worth of medicare taxes and now he wants to eliminate the loophole, so this guy is a hypocrite. he doesn't sit down to try to solve any problems he just goes out and you know has platitudes but there is no proposal. there are ways to make sure we preserve the benefits of social security and medicare, but you don't do it by raising taxes, spending out t

a more ambivalent view of heroism if you look at his treatment of all rick the war 1812 and the naval conflicts. it's not that perry was some great leader or was able to give speeches or was able to motivate his soldiers that he had more cannons. and teddy roosevelt did the work to prove this. he did all the research to look not just at the cannons, but on american ships. they could point more cannons in the same direction to create a better broadside and things like that. so it was a very logistical book that talked about and the kind of boring stuff it wasn't a book about heroes. by the time teddy roosevelt, close to being a hero himself and thinking about how could the president be heroes? his books were quite bad because he all he wanted to talk about was how great people had changed history and not many cannons arrived were. but who was giving the speeches on on the ships? right. on the ships themselves. so same thing is true of wilson's first book, which quite good, but again has a very pragmatic view and sort doesn't emphasize the individual, even in these presidents in the writing. the closer they get to po

. >> the scott perry house freedom caucus proposal that you noted today, which, as i should say rick given, take with rick scott. the freedom student relief will be gone, cut the climate change funding that was in the inflation reduction act, of course the versatility significant climate change of its time. 22 levels for a decade which sounds sort of anodyne but it is two trillion dollars in domestic policy, in domestic program cuts. do you think that's, is that what the white house views is the alternative here, or the thing that's going to be compromised against? >> look, that's something for speaker mccarthy to decide. as you, said they put a plan together. they basically, it seems to me their value statement to the american people. and honestly, it would be funny if it wasn't so scary, chris. if it wasn't so dangerous what they are saying that they want to do. you think about the inflation reduction act, there are so many things you just list out. you think about the inflation reduction act. that is supposed to actually, it's supposed to help lower the deficit by over $200 millio