targeting a new label, def jam and its founder rick rubin. you signed with def jam. ow did you manage that? >> i sent a tape in to rick and called him every single day. persistent. one day he called me back. my grandmother answered the phone. came in, couldn't pronounce it. dick stubin, just anything but rick rubin. i called him back, i was really overwhelmed and overjoyed i felt i had an opportunity. and i made the most of it. >> i what say so. >> what's so funny? >> absolutely. >> explain it to the rest of us. >> when you're growing up in queens and you know, you walk in your math class teacher punches you in the back calls you a dummy. go to your next class teachersou they're going to read about you as a criminal. when you grow up in that kind of environment, when you get an opportunity you make the most of it it's fun and it's funny. it's not easy. >> he sees another opportunity when friend invited him on to the movie "krush groove." he hadn't been hired by anybody he was visiting. >> i'm bouncing off the walls. like, all right grab a broom. grab some crates. runn

on genius doing these annotations, you look at rick rubin, he can tell the story about 99 problems,k at them. >> that's -- the beastie boys he was the fourth member and the beastie boys they called him rick rubin. >> l.l. cool j. >> and some of you are saying no women's names. >> absolutely. >> we're saying where is light and latifah? >> it's interesting, we're having a conversation about women in hip top now, and i'm the only woman in hip-hop at the table. and i say that because iggy i think -- it's nicki minaj, iggy they're not the only three females. whose platform they haven't been able to speak to a larger audience. i don't think that iggy hasn't worked heart to get to where she is. it takes a level of work ethic, but at the same time her lyrics culturally insensitive. to say you're a runaway slave master. >>> stay with me. more on this and more on the question at the men who are at the sides of the women in hip-hop. more when we come back. literally. you had to go deep into the cupboard. embarrassingly deep. can this mismatched mess be conquered... by a little bit of dish liqu