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. >> here's rick santorum, who left the senate back in 1995.e spent 12 years there from pennsylvania. >> some have likened this chart to a depiction of an appendicitis operation. my god. appendicitis. that's not an appendix. that's not a blob of tissue. it is a baby. it's a baby! >> other than the emotion of the argument he's making, the camera angle on that, it didn't show the whole chart. why not? whose cameras are those? >> the senate recording studio, that is funded and run by the senate, run by the government, controls the cameras and the camera angles. if you watch more of it, they do make a point of showing the charts. senators want these charts and the images to be seen. that popped up later. it was very interesting. it was in the 1990's, which at one point, bob byrd takes up the floor. it's in the program. he does a speech about incivility in the senate. it's a very famous speech for senate watchers. he basically gets out there, and not by name because you're not allowed to impugn a senator by name, that's rule 19. maybe we should have

joining us now is rick santorum, former u.s. senator and cnn senior political commentator.ood morning. >> good morning. >> you ran for president. >> i did. >> if you were president today would you re-open government before all of this was hashed out because you have heard stories of people suffering? >> no. one thing i would look at is maybe a trust-building measure. one of the things we have seen in the negotiation is that neither side believes the other side. in any negotiation we'll stand up and follow through with what they said they were going to do in private negotiation. try to do some trust-building. maybe open one department. agriculture. because all these different food safety issues and other things going on. there might be -- look, as a measure of good faith we'll open up the agriculture department. let's sit down and talk about a compromise. >> the one they are thinking about voting on today. >> clearly as much as it's been panned by the other side there are things in the president's compromise that many republicans don't like. in fact, the president hasn't eve

rick santorum. he beginning here, do you think the president finally understands the pain he has been causing with this shutdown and he is more amenable to a deal? >> i don't think that's the reason the president is going to make a deal, no. >> really? all this pain we keep hearing about? >> i don't think the president sees that as a reason for him to make the deal. he's very much focused on getting the border -- >> wow. >> no, i don't think that's a motivating factor for this president. >> you don't think all the stories we're hearing about the desperation and the risks to our safety and our servicemen and women who are doing jobs, keeping us safe without pay, that that's motivating him. >> if you ask my opinion, no, i don't think it is. i think what's motivating him is to do the job to secure our country and to protect the american people. i think that's the motivating factor and that's why i said from the very beginning on one of the earliest shows this was going to be a very long shutdown because

saying this kind of stuff, that you have to look at in context. >> i know you got to run, but rick santorumhat was very slick there when he talked about. >> slick rick. >> when he talked about the republicans and they're doing the most -- >> the history thing. >> listen, after johnson, all of those racist democrats moved over to the republican party. so what he's doing there is very slick, but it's not actually true. it doesn't mean anything, and i think van was smart to catch him and say, you have to look back before you were born to point to your party doing good things for civil rights. there is a huge issue there. >> whenever somebody wants to explain what they're doing now by what happened many, many years ago. >> yep. >> be suspicious. >> yeah. >> d. lemon, talk to you in a second. >> see you in a bit. >>> all right. so much of this is complicated with what we're dealing with with mueller. but you know what? simple things become complicated when you can't believe what you're told. it's easy to get overwhelmed by all we're learning and the questions that remain in the russia probe. but

and former republican senator rick santorum.eff, you heard the congressman talk about the very real consequences when the intelligence committee turns over those unredacted witness testimony. do you buy that? >> yes, i think it is significant. i don't know if any of those statements will be proven to be false, but you could not bring a criminal case without the actual transcripts. so it is an indispensable -- it is a necessary but not sufficient step for mueller to bring these cases. and it's only logical, it's only fair for him to have these, to do a complete investigation. >> senator santorum, how worried would you be if you're the president and you don't have an ally like devin nunes running the house intelligence committee anymore? >> look, for the president, this comes down to two things -- number one, impeachment. and the house is going to do what the house is going to do. the senate will never, at least given the current state of play right now, is not going to come anywhere close to impeaching the president. the second i

santorum? >> he's on team toobin. it's a beautiful thing, rick. let's just -- it's a whole new year. it's going to be great. >> how about that? >> let's take a break on that. coming up -- let's just bask on that thought for a little while. we're going to talk about the president's name in news conference only, he took no questions, of course, but did say he knows more about drones than anybody. so, there's always there. and later, we'll keep digging into something speaker pelosi said today when she was asked if a sitting president could be indicted. her answer got the legal and political types buzzing. we'll take a look ahead. i'm ray and i quit smoking with chantix. smoking. it dictates your day. i didn't like something having control over me. i wanted to stop. the thing is i didn't know how. chantix, along with support, helps you quit smoking. chantix reduced my urge to smoke to the point that i could quit. when you try to quit smoking, with or without chantix, you may have nicotine withdrawal symptoms. some people had changes in behavior or thinking, aggression, hostility, agitati

so you remember -- some of you remember how active senator rick santorum was at that time, a real leader in the pro-life cause. i spoke then saying -- and i'm quoting now from 1909 -- 1997. i was on the floor often with my good friend, former senator, to try to pass partial-birth abortion. i don't think i said, i thank the senator from pennsylvania for yield hing time. i think he made one of the best presentations i've heard on the floor of this bod. i want to say that. when i deals with the facts, he's dealing with the facts. but, you know, we are also dealing today with perceptions. i tried to make a list of those things i've heard over and over. there are a lot of redundancy on this floor, but there are some things that have not been stated i would like to share a couple of those with you. i am a going to do something that is a little unusual. because i am going to read some scriptures to you. it's not totally unprecedented in this body. in fact, i've done it many, many times. the distinguished senator from west virginia does it quite often. i was talking about bob byrd. we remember b

. >> look, honestly, it was rick santorum who said on this show yesterday, who said the president won't -- isn't moved by empathy. rick santorum sat here on the show and said donald trump doesn't care about the folks at home not getting their paychecks. donald trump doesn't care but, and you know what he sold a number of people in this country a bill of ghoods he said -- when he convinced people that he was the billionaire that was going to fight for the little guy. this is a physical embodiment. we're seeing it play out what donald trump real cares about and where he's willing to put his quote unquote political muscle at. i hope folks are paying attention. i hope the quote, unquote forgotten man and woman who donald trump is talking about are watching and listening and he's letting you know where his bread is buttered t.ain't in the forgotten windmills of the midwest. >> stand by. we are going to talk about other things. who is going to emerge to take on the president in 2020 in the buzz around some. the controversy around others, and this race is barely gotten started. ♪ ♪i've been re

other prominent republicans like rick santorum, then senator of pennsylvania and others came together so that here at this picture in may of 2001 you had all of the top leadership in the republican and democrat side all cosponsoring legislation to create a national museum of african museum of history and culture as part of the smithsonian. and you see hillary clinton and senator john edwards and here then congressman j.c. watt speaking and senator clinton and senator rick santorum and joking you will never see this group assembled all in favor of anything. but they were all in favor of this museum. and president bush is not at this press conference, but he behind the scenes was a strong supporter of this. and he even dispatched vice president chaney, who was the vice president of the senate to meet with the republican senators and tell them that president bush wants this to happen and to get behind it. so i congratulated congressman john lewis at the end of that press conference and i thought this was a wrap. it was going to sail right through. we got the support of all of the leaders

kansas, then republican house member jc watts from oklahoma, other prominent republicans like rick santorum, then senator of pennsylvania, ted stevens from alaska, and others came together so that here at this picture in may of 2001, you had all of the top leadership in the republican and democratic side all cosponsoring legislation to create a national museum of african-american history and culture as part of the smithsonian. and you see john lewis there with then senator hillary rodham clinton and then senator sam brownbeck and senator john edwards and then congressman jc watts speaking and you see senator clinton and senator rick santorum and they were joking that you'll never see this group assembled all in favor of anything, but they were all in favor of this museum. and president bush is not at this press conference, but he, behind the scenes, was a strong supporter of this, and he even dispatched vice president cheney, who, of course, as vice president was the president of the senate, to meet with the republican senators and tell them that president bush wants this to happen. and to

i think rick santorum said that the main reason manafort was hired is there weren't any top republicans that wanted to work for trump in the days when he needed it, right? is that correct? is that a viable excuse? >> he wasn't hired to be campaign chairman. he volunteered to be the unpaid campaign chairman which has been an interesting fact in and of itself. remember, paul manafort in the midst of this, as we now know in court documents and layed out in his trial, was in the midst of his own $65 million decade long money laundering scheme when he stepped into this role on the trump campaign. so why was this man who was so deeply in debt to russian oligarchs running this massive tax bank and money laundering scheme willing to work for free for donald trump? that has always been one of these interesting questions that we haven't heard and as susan is talking about his business partner, believed to be a russian intelligence asset, one of those whys that we're still waiting to see is mueller talking about why he believes constantine was a russian intelligence asset in 2016. what does muelle

that's an ally of the president, rick santorum. he doesn't care. he's willing to shut down the government over this wall that nobody wants. >> yeah. let's be clear, the president cares about the issue of national security. cares about the police officer who was killed by an illegal immigrant in california the day after christmas. he's cared about this issue before he became president. it's what made him become president. and democrats are holding this country hostage over a measly $5 billion because all you really care about is not these government workers, stop lying to them. you care about beating donald trump and if you have to keep the government shutdown to beat donald trump that's the entire agenda that the democrats came out with today. we're coming after you, we're coming after trump. do it, impeach him. >> the border patrol said, that's what he said. he's going to get a wall for the shutdown. do you think his base know they won't get a wall even if he gets every dollar he asked for. it's dishonest for him to say that he's doing it for the

i want to bring in kiersten powers and senator rick santorum. whether you think the president made the right call or not, the fact is 800,000 workers will get paychecks again. >> right. i do think he made the right call. the one thing that worries me is the coverage he is getting, he rolled over, he got rolled, he got played, all this stuff, is going to only aggravate him and make him more likely to not want to make another deal. he had to defy his base in this. this is what he originally tried to do, if you remember. he had decided that he was going to forgo getting the money for the wall. then ann colter and rush limb limbaugh went at him. he saw the democrats weren't going to give in. he didn't have a choice. in the end, i think it was the right thing to do. i don't think he should be shamed for doing it. i don't think there's shame in making a deal. >> senator santorum, was it the right thing to do? >> kicking the can down the road is a reasonable course. it showed the president was willing to compromise. he is willing to concede to the othe

democratic senator susan collins getting it, but rick santorum, i am not sure he gets it. >> and i am we will go over it, and frank bruni and kathryn ranfell will be there. >> and see you in a minute. >> okay. >> all right. so what do we know? we know that the shutdown is wrong, and bad politic, and people are paying the price for the president's promise. all right. those around him keep suggesting, suck it up, get a loan, it is going to be okay, right? wrong. next. >>> when i tell people my story, they don't believe it, but it is true. >> i have always thought, what would it be like if you turned the corner one day and you saw yourself? >> oh, my god. wow. >> the first time 245 the boys met the three together, it was a miracle. >> it is nothing to keep us apart. >> that's when things kind of got funky. >> something was just not right. >> i'd like to know the truth. >> it was always a question mark. >> the parents had never been told. >> they were trying to conceal what they did from the people they did it to. >> there's still so much that we don't know. >> how could you not tell us?

. >> it's the second time this has happened, rick santorum. because earlier, a few weeks ago, vice president pence told republican senators, just pass a clean bill and we'll discuss the border wall later on. they did that. the senate passed it, and the president pulled out the rug from under him. >> donald trump realizes this is not an issue of substance. this is not an issue that democrats -- yeah, they can say it's a moral issue, they can say we think it doesn't work and all of these things. this is a purely political issue. the democrats do not want to give donald trump a win, because they think they will be punished by their base if they do so. and donald trump recognizes that, and so he's going to draw the line. and i think that -- that's not an unreasonable position. this is not about money. $5 billion and a $4 trillion -- this is nothing when it comes to money. this is a rounding error when it comes to money. it is a rounding error when it comes to policy. i mean, this is not a big -- you know, something fundamentally different that we'

joining the conference, ana navarro, former senator rick santorum.enator santorum, i mean, is there a way out of this? >> well, i just want to address that because i've worked with a lot of disease groups and have a child with disabilities. and it's just -- it's crushing to hear that. i hope the president hears that. i hope commissioner gottlieb hears that. there is flexibility. you saw today or yesterday the administration announced they would pay refund checks for the irs. these things are always more art than they are science. and law. and so this is a good situation where maybe you bring this to the attention of the administration, they can do something about making sure these folks at the fda get back to work. >> by the way, i'm not sure if she said that, but this clinical trial, because this disease is so rare, big pharmaceutical company -- >> yeah. >> -- there's no incentive for them -- >> i deal a lot -- >> they're funding it themselves. >> i know all about this area. and the fda has done a tremendous job under this administration. it's been

god love him, my friend, former senator rick santorum, the president gives a speech that's prepared, he gets through it, he doesn't make a major gaffe, whoo! good night for the president! you know, that is the standard that we have with this particular president. the more that he reads what's given to him, the better off we all are. but here's the problem. politics is persuasion. it's passion, it's connecting with people. it's evoking their imagination to do something together that they couldn't do individually. this president has that mandate on an issue that screams out for it. it's the first time i've seen an issue where you have so many people hurting so badly and all of that is ignored in terms of demonizing the victims. i've never seen it work. we'll see how this plays out. >> you know what i would love to see? and i thought about it too late. i would love to see the local news coverage from the towns that are at the border tonight, right? because i'm sure they're going strong. they're all live at the border and i would love to have had some live pictures to show you, because f