rick unger and bill baldwin and vict toria barrett and rich, first to you.here doesn't seem to be fairness here. one case profits are good and another case they are bad? >> this will show you how far obama sunk when he promised to be the great uniter. he can't make a speech without the boggy man. and private aircraft and i assume he does that, too. >> he subsidized foalos like solyndra. it makes no sense and dividing the country and economically ruinous . causes ceo's of inteleto show obama around his plant. it is really, really taking one or two points off of america's gdp and tragic. >> rick, why is it that some profit good and some are bad? >> you know, rich and i must have listen to different speeches. i never heard the president vilify profits. >> he does it all of the time. >> we'll put up a headline from the washington post. president slams oil company profits as prices rise. >> because the washington post put the headline up. it makes it accurate? what the president did do in his speech was talk about getting rid of the subidies that we all agree tha

on fox and we'll go in focus with steve forbes and denis neal and victoria and bill and rich and rick unger. rich, first you. are they good or bad for captivity in america? >> the capitalist are central to companies that get in trouble. you think about ibm. they went from 400,000 to 200,000 when they almost went bankrupt 20 years ago . a private equity guy gave them tough medicine and now they have 400,000 jobs again. sometimes it is necessary to fix the companies to do that. >> rick, good or bad for america. >> the question in and of itself is raising an issue we haven't confronted before. americans like private free market enterprise and respect it and like the types of things that steve jobs does. he provides a product and service . what we are looking at now is a part of our society and capitalist society that is more destructive even if it is necessary. and i think that what all of this is raising is a question of whether americans do or don't want the symbol of their country to be the type of destructive capitalism where people end up out of the work even though it is necessary so pro