jobs are going to grow. >> is this a rick unger. are you willing to put money on the bet? >> i am absolutely willing to put my money on it >> mike, in fact they put together a list of people who are going to be affected from different income. it will cost you if you are making $50,000 and $75,000 it is $1600. not just the rich and business owners that pay this. >> no, why is the unemployment rate higher today than when president obama first took office? one of the reason for this companies are not hiring. lookalt tax increases on business. 3.8 percent increase on investment income that kills maul business. and the uncrease in business tax and tripling of the dividend tax. that is huge costs on the formation of capt capt that go inew businesses or create expanding businesses. this is it the slowest recovery in any recession that is lasted over nine months since the 1930s. >> rick might know maul businesses and i can name at least one who are not happy about it zane oped 40 applebees and projects that will not be possible because of the new costs of labor because of the heal

. >> my dear friend rick unger has to be brought up to date. he didn't get them. it is supplement security income and that is it free money from the government. this is in addition to medicaid and to food stamps it is a $1,000 a month you get. it is it a lot of new stuff. this by the way w started under richard nixon and meant for blind and handicapped people. and i have to be kind to my friend rick since he beat me out of a starbucks coffe but that said, we have become dependent on government. $3900 20 years ago was the average entitlement spending per person and adjusted for inflation tt is it 70 percent increase. we have become a nation dependent on government hand outs and how can we n expect immigrants from saying i want mine, too. >> it is insulting to taxpayers and immigrants who come here looking for work and not hand outs . can't blame the immigrants. >> we are blaminglet government for offering too much. >> all citizens should be treated equal you have to look at welfare reform comprehensuvly. there is too much finger pointing at immigrants and they qual

rick yo unger. you are not buying this. >> i see some, but the problem, you have to be careful not to create a new disaster by trying to solve another one, in 1980, 83% of americans had a defined pension benefit plan at work today that is 15%, less tn 50% over 50, have any retirement benefit, 401(k) or anything. if you are not careful, in how you approach social security going forward. you will have a disaster. neil: put a number on the table. >> it is already a disaster, we might has well forget it. neil: your party. your point is that republicans of caving on these points agreeing to a deal to avoid the cliff, that will be largely tax hikes. >> washington is so wasteful now, we have to cut across the board, for these unions to come in, flying in on big jet, they have already killed twinkie, they are killing -- >> be fair. >> they didn't kill the twinkie, when is last time you ate one. >> never. >> and your kids. >> but still, the unions, the waste, waste, and all about them it is okay for them to