steve forbes, rick unger, mike, bill baldwin, sabrina schaefer, hn tandy. $2 trillion out of a $3.5 trillionget. more than the majority. how do you avoid dealing with it? >>ventually you will have deal with it. won't be done now, simply because there is not a mandate to do it. you set the stage for it; such as, having accounts for younger people in social security, change the delivery of healthcare, do it in a positive way. you set the ground work. you won't make headway with the congress. shoot for 2014 and 2016. >> rick, should entitlements be off the table entirely? >> i don't think they should i'm not one of those liberals. i would love to see the focus shift to where they are look at entitlements in terms of cleaning it up. it should be a constant reform all the time. weed out the people who may take advantage, so we havehe money for the people who legitimately need the help. >> let's talk about people taking advantage. federal disability programs arjust totally out of control. we have all kind of abuse and fraud. 25of the cases are called, "inappropriately dcide" isn't that a place to

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rick unger. mike osanian. rich karlgaard. and john tandy. was obamacare the bigger or the loser? >> it's a big loser because it will be implemented. make no mistake this is the obama's administration vietnam for the adolescent approach for healthcare. obama at the end of the administration will wish ted cruz and the republicans succeeded to defund it because they would have said obama and the foolish legislation from their themselves. >> rick, it was hard to avoid some of the headlines. i know the debt deal got a lot of attention. the shotdown got a lot of attention. when robert -- robert gibbs says it's excruciatingly notice. >> it's the first week. what can i tell you? i expect we'll see a headline graphic coming up showing that in oregon 10%, the amount of people who are uninsured in oregon was reduced by 10% last week. a big number. california, 600,000 people now getting health coverage that didn't have it before. there are some victories in the states. the launch of the federal website, a disaster. you know what? it will get fixed. >> steve, actually, we can only guess how b

and now a $500,000 grant to crow bar pro obamacare messages to big hollywood tv shows, to rick unger d dee dee. to promote turkey as rick would say. he did not say that. i will give you time to recover, dee dee, what do you make of this? i would hire anyone to -- computer geeks to fix this before i promote it. >> you don't mess with sports teams ever, don't mess with football. i am a colts fan, i think that ravens are already bad. we took the team away, then they are called ravens and now this? i feel bad for the time, they are going to make fans mad. people hate obamacare, they are going to be mad on sundays, what are they doing put the announcement on the screens when people have hot dogs and beer, they will say oh, no. neil: ravens never more? >> i'm trying to understand your objects. we can quickly get rid of half million dollars, this is a private foundation. foundation. you are not telling them what to do, they are private. private. >> taxpayer dollars to promote it. >> $120,000 for number of impressions they get is great value, what is your problem with this? neil: the law, the